Sergio Martinez overrated on NSB. Joe Calzaghe was better

[edgarg]

Really?

Lets see, Sergio is on his third weight class where he became lineal champion by way of KO win over the previous champion.

Calzaghe became undisputed at 168 (his only real weight class his entire career) by waiting for RJJ to move up, gathering up the vacant belts and beating Lacy who never did anything worthwhile. Fights eurobums for the better part of a decade and finally faces RJJ after hes been KTFO numerous times and gets dropped in the first round and is unable to stop Jones when no names like Green were able to.

ATG my ass.

Sorry, you're talking all over the place. You're wrong. Jones was a Super-middle for 2 1/2 years, had 7 fights of wich 3 were World Champs and the others top contenders. In the same month that Jones beat Toney, Calzaghe had his 7th fight, and only his 17th (14 of which were 4-6 rdrs.) when Jones moved up to Lt-heavy. Calzaghe was still a beginner, and only fighting 2-3 yrs when Jones moved to Lt-heavy.

No way did Calzaghe duck Jones. Their times and weights just didn't coincide. This often happens and guys who want to make their arguments forget this in the heat of the moment.

[Walt Liquor]

He is obviously a fairly well rounded fighter, as anyone in the p4p list generally is, but in comparison to some other guys in there, he is not on there level in terms of versatility in my opinion. He hasn't really fought anyone with the chin to stand in front of him apart from Pavlik who was just too slow. In spurts Barker and Macklin really gave him trouble in ways that they should not have been able to. Martinez is only effective at certain distances, and doesn't know how to press a fight. Ward is comfortable with multiple styles.

I think sergio gets bored. He could have murked barker and macklin ez but he fights down. Ward dOesnt (plus for ward).

I think sergio has a higher ceiling as well.

[Bushbaby]

I don't think Martinez is overrated. I think he hangs with the best fighters at 160. I think he is the best fighter that can fight at 154 bar none.

I think the talks of him being overrated surfaced the minute he called out fellow former 154lb champs Floyd & Pacman. I remember people always hated the Punisher & the minute Martinez beheaded him with that 1 punch shot everyone fell in love with Martinez. But the minute he became a threat to the top 2 pfp's the hate began.

I'll never forget that 1 cat that made a thread about all the Floyd & Pacman loving Martinez after he killed the Punisher, but the minute he called out Pacman & Floyd they spit the nutt out their mouths like it was sour milk. I wish I could find that tread. It was truly sig worthy. I believe that particular ts was a Mexican, but which 1 I'm not sure. Maybe TX Hustla or something.

[BattleAxePurist]

You can argue who the better fighter is or where he belongs P4P but Sergio is not overrated but sure enough when he loses there will be numerous threads stating such disregarding all his previous wins

[mathed]

I think Sergio Martinez is pretty overrated on here, don't get me wrong he is p4p one of the best in the world but there are better fighters out there, guys like Ward, Gamboa, Marquez, Hopkins, Donaire (arguably), maybe even Cotto at this stage, and I find it laughable that people try and put him in the same bracket as Pac and May.

He has some great natural talent, great speed, good power, but as a total package he is not all that great. He can only fight at one distance, and quite frankly has struggled with guys who are nothing more than decent/solid opponents.

As a complete fighter Calzaghe was much better for me, but did not get half the accolades across NSB, a lot of hate though. I think Martinez is very likeable it's a good story, he has come from nowhere and peaked late, has some spectacular knockouts but I wish some people would stop overrating his status in boxing. I have said it before and I'll say it again, on here too much emphasis is put on KO's and guys that can punch.

Put all those guys you named in the ring with him at 160 or 154 and he beats them all. Overated yet he keeps ko'ing all these dudes. You don't see him in a hugfest (Ward) or fighting smaller guys like Donaire does or faking injuries to garner points with the ref and judges (Hopkins vs. Calzaghe).

Dude is fighting bigger guys than himself and knocking them all out, that's why he is ranked where he is ranked. He has more KO's than Gamboa has total fights, his draw and Williams loss were ripoffs and should both be victories with the Cintron one being a KO.

Cotto is a great fighter but if he and Martinez fought at 154, Cotto would get KO'd. Just a couple months ago, he was a bum, now he is overrated because he got hit a couple of times in route to a KO victory in a BOXING match...golly gee, who would of thought that in boxing, you may take a punch or two?

I do agree that Calzaghe was a greater boxer but he was a smw and lhw boxer, I don't see the comparison between the two. I personally put Joe above all the guys that you mentioned besides possibly Mayweather.

Pac looked suspect in his last fight as well and May had to sucker punch a dude to win....yet it's laughable to say that Martinez is about as good as those two guys?

To each his own I guess

[sunny31]

You can argue who the better fighter is or where he belongs P4P but Sergio is not overrated but sure enough when he loses there will be numerous threads stating such disregarding all his previous wins

I guess underrated/overrated depends on your perspective, this is my opinion based on some of the stuff I see on here to do with Martinez, and other fighters not really getting there props. I have never thought Martinez deserved to go to p4p #3, but I certainly won't be one of the guys who criticises, or disregards his career if he loses. Just like I don't put him above Marquez or Hopkins after how much they have accomplished (and continue to do so).

[IronDanHamza]

I dont see how you have ward and gamboa as better fighters.....


If anyone's overrated, its ward (based on wins).

I think sergio have developed into a technician who has a bad habit of fighting to the level of his comp. he cpuld have blAsted mCklin out whenever he wanted.

Sorry for the typing, on Phone.

Ward has an extensive amateur background and caMme up prettyuch the easy way in the pros. Sergio's amateur background is basically his early pro career.


I agree 10000% that jocal is underrated on nsb regardless. That guy is a master boxer.

Absurd.

Not overrated at all and I distinctly remember before the Froch fight you considered Froch to be one of the best around and Ward took him to school.

[Redd Foxx]

I have no probs w/ Sergio, and I do think that there's a strange, clique-ish hatred for Calzaghe on this forum. I can understand if someone just doesn't like him, but to pretend that he was some kind of bum is ignorant.

[NearHypnos]

I don't think Ward is overrated per se. I think his opposition has been over rated. As mentioned, anybody who knows anything about 168 knew Ward was the clear favorite. Froch, as much as I love him..is over rated. Abraham at 168 too. Kessler was an alright win at best (like mentioned)..but oh how the haters cry about the head. It wasn't very long ago we had people on here talking about how P.Will would literally DESTROY Mayweather and Pac. How Pavlik was this train derailing puncher at 160. Martinez walked through Pavlik (fight wasn't as close as some like to say...) and P.Will..and basically has KOd everybody recently. May I add, there were many people talking about how great Macklin was, that why isn't Martinez fighting him, blah blah. He KOs Macklin..fairly might I add..and people HATE him for it? lol what? Martinez is one of the only guys who's come up hard in the sport and earned everything..how can you hate that? The guy is cool, has fought, and ducked nobody. This is like hating Winky Wright, who wasn't this golden boy coming up and went up the hard way. There's a lot to be said for guys like that.

Anybody remember the "P.Will beat Margarito, who Floyd ducked..imagine what P.Will would do to Floyd and Pac!!!!" talk?

Martinez is deservedly the 3rd p4p. Some people might like JMM over him, which is understandable...but Donaire? Gamboa? Ward? Yeah...I don't know about that. Someday, yes, easily (unless Martinez fights and beats Floyd..)..but not now. You know you're doing fine when you're fighting above your division, knocking guys out..and many people STILL think you're the best 154 pounder.

[Walt Liquor]

Absurd.

Not overrated at all and I distinctly remember before the Froch fight you considered Froch to be one of the best around and Ward took him to school.

I think froch is one of the best 168 lbrs but i think the division is pretty deep. He was and is 1-dimensional but he fights everyone. Ward can be 3 pfp after he beats a well rounded fighter. Floyd/manny/jmm/nonito have beaten better fighters. I say underrated if people think he's top 4.

I think he's about ever with gamboa abd seegio pfp wise.