Sergio Martinez overrated on NSB. Joe Calzaghe was better

[Walt Liquor]

I dont see how you have ward and gamboa as better fighters.....


If anyone's overrated, its ward (based on wins).

I think sergio have developed into a technician who has a bad habit of fighting to the level of his comp. he cpuld have blAsted mCklin out whenever he wanted.

Sorry for the typing, on Phone.

Ward has an extensive amateur background and caMme up prettyuch the easy way in the pros. Sergio's amateur background is basically his early pro career.


I agree 10000% that jocal is underrated on nsb regardless. That guy is a master boxer.

[Drew Mcintyre]

calazghe will always be above roy jones on the ATG mythical lists as calzaghe whooped that ass, and hulmiliated the guy, great to watch, slapped him up, cut him, danced in the ring from his punches, i was a proud brit that night.

[nomadman]

Calzaghe was dropped by two 40 year olds. Martinez would whoop that ass.

Don't refer to Jones and Hopkins as "two 40 year olds" again.

[sunny31]

I dont see how you have ward and gamboa as better fighters.....


If anyone's overrated, its ward (based on wins).

I think sergio have developed into a technician who has a bad habit of fighting to the level of his comp. he cpuld have blAsted mCklin out whenever he wanted.

Sorry for the typing, on Phone.

Ward has an extensive amateur background and caMme up prettyuch the easy way in the pros. Sergio's amateur background is basically his early pro career.

I agree 10000% that jocal is underrated on nsb regardless. That guy is a master boxer.

I just think they are better fighters, more well rounded with better wins relative to their weights. Ward has some very good wins in Kessler, Froch, and Abraham. Ok I would say that he doesn't have the Williams type knockout, but that is some serious work, and his ability, skill level, as a fighter is greater than Martinez.

Maybe you can give Martinez the edge because he is now doing it in a 2nd weight division (not 3rd as some idiot has claimed) but can you honestly say that Ward would not pick up titles at 175? Not to mention that Ward hasnt even really lost too many rounds thus far. Gamboa similarly has completely dominated good competition.

[nomadman]

I dont see how you have ward and gamboa as better fighters.....


If anyone's overrated, its ward (based on wins).

I think sergio have developed into a technician who has a bad habit of fighting to the level of his comp. he cpuld have blAsted mCklin out whenever he wanted.

Sorry for the typing, on Phone.

Ward has an extensive amateur background and caMme up prettyuch the easy way in the pros. Sergio's amateur background is basically his early pro career.


I agree 10000% that jocal is underrated on nsb regardless. That guy is a master boxer.

Ward is most definitely not overrated. He's earned his position in the most legitimate way you can, by fighting the best in his division and winning emphatically every time. I may not enjoy his style, but I admire the man's skills and fighting ability tremendously. His resume is stacked with top SMWs and this is still a guy in his twenties.

[MeanestNiceGuy]

Joe had a pretty padded record, but he did manage to stick a couple of legends onto his resume at the end of his career...something that Martinez has yet to do. So yes, his resume is better than Sergio's.

Sergio has fought guys like Cintron, Pavlik, Margarito, and P. Williams, in the past...and all of those guys have pretty much amounted to nothing, or they're trying to salvage their careers.

Calzaghe has beaten RJJ (future HOF'er) and Hopkins (who is still going strong).

[Walt Liquor]

Ward is most definitely not overrated. He's earned his position in the most legitimate way you can, by fighting the best in his division and winning emphatically every time. I may not enjoy his style, but I admire the man's skills and fighting ability tremendously. His resume is stacked with top SMWs and this is still a guy in his twenties.

Ward has beaten one dimensional guys over and over, i will grant you that he's been more dominant than sergio but sergio has shown more adjustments and versatility.

Ward is a top 7 pfp guy imo but he still hasnt ever fought the best 168lbers imo (which are bute and dirrell). Seriously. Kessler was a dn good win, but sergio has pavlik and pwilly as damn good wins.

[Walt Liquor]

I just think they are better fighters, more well rounded with better wins relative to their weights. Ward has some very good wins in Kessler, Froch, and Abraham. Ok I would say that he doesn't have the Williams type knockout, but that is some serious work, and his ability, skill level, as a fighter is greater than Martinez.

Maybe you can give Martinez the edge because he is now doing it in a 2nd weight division (not 3rd as some idiot has claimed) but can you honestly say that Ward would not pick up titles at 175? Not to mention that Ward hasnt even really lost too many rounds thus far. Gamboa similarly has completely dominated good competition.

Abe at 168 is a good win at very best. Andi fail to see how sergio isnt a well rounded/versatile fighter. No need to look any further than the dizzy fight. No one thought sergio had a jab AT ALL in his arsenal.

Him and sarmiento have come up with some excellent gameplans and he's been able to execute them AND adjust mid-fight if need be.

[sunny31]

Joe had a pretty padded record, but he did manage to stick a couple of legends onto his resume at the end of his career...something that Martinez has yet to do. So yes, his resume is better than Sergio's.

Sergio has fought guys like Cintron, Pavlik, Margarito, and P. Williams, in the past...and all of those guys have pretty much amounted to nothing, or they're trying to salvage their careers.

Calzaghe has beaten RJJ (future HOF'er) and Hopkins (who is still going strong).

Calzaghe's record is definitely padded, but he did beat Kessler who was the best other guy at 168. Then beat Hopkins who was the recognised as the best at 175. The Jones win doesn't hold much water with me. I think Sergio has beat guys as good as Kessler, but there is no one there on the level of Bhop.

But if you consider there in-ring ability, Calzaghe was comfortable all over the ring, he could fight on the inside, outside, he could brawl, box, he had a lot to his repertoire. Sergio is much more one dimensional in my opinion and would get exposed by certain styles, he already has been to a certain extent. Look I am not saying he is a bad fighter, he is a great fighter. But he does not...in my opinion warrant the praise and deserve to held in the high esteem he is currently getting, there are quite a few better fighters out there yet this guy is p4p #3, and some of the threads made about him are ridiculous.

[sunny31]

Abe at 168 is a good win at very best. Andi fail to see how sergio isnt a well rounded/versatile fighter. No need to look any further than the dizzy fight. No one thought sergio had a jab AT ALL in his arsenal.

Him and sarmiento have come up with some excellent gameplans and he's been able to execute them AND adjust mid-fight if need be.

He is obviously a fairly well rounded fighter, as anyone in the p4p list generally is, but in comparison to some other guys in there, he is not on there level in terms of versatility in my opinion. He hasn't really fought anyone with the chin to stand in front of him apart from Pavlik who was just too slow. In spurts Barker and Macklin really gave him trouble in ways that they should not have been able to. Martinez is only effective at certain distances, and doesn't know how to press a fight. Ward is comfortable with multiple styles.