Molina is a joke

[BoxingGenius27]

Ward holds at points, but does he do this......

Punch, hold, back him up to the ropes while holding, punch, hold his entire arm, punch, let go, punch, hold again.

Does he??? At least Ward fights on the inside a lot when they are clinched, where as Molina just holds and when the ref breaks it up, he punches and goes back to holding......

That's what I'm saying. Molina did that the entire fight. If I had to get technical, I would say Molina did those tactics for about 27 minutes of the 30 minute fight.

Whereas Ward might do it for 10-15 seconds (of holding without punching) of a 36 minute fight.

HUGE difference.

[-DSG-]

molina should have been dq for holding

[BoxingGenius27]

Kesser and the later parts of the Froch fight. You can't go after Molina for the way he fought last night, then defend the bull**** Ward has been doing the last few years.

I have to completely disagree. Ward was punching during in fighting.

Molina wasn't infighting. He was literally putting Kirk's arm under his armpit and tying Kirkland up for 15-20 seconds at a time while doing absolutely nothing.

Ward would bully Froch/Kessler into the ropes and actually fight on the inside in close quarters.

[4Corners]

I have to completely disagree. Ward was punching during in fighting.

Molina wasn't infighting. He was literally putting Kirk's arm under his armpit and tying Kirkland up for 15-20 seconds at a time while doing absolutely nothing.

Ward would bully Froch/Kessler into the ropes and actually fight on the inside in close quarters.

And at the times he did punch while he was holding and they were clinched, it was mainly when he had Kirkland's entire right arm pinned under his armpit and he'd hit him with his right hand.

Compeltely different from Andre Ward does. Andre actually fights on the inside and actually boxes you most of the time, and when he does hold or clinch, he attempts to work the body and fight on the inside, and he doesn't your entire arm under his armpit and than punch with his other hand.

[Rhyme 4 Rhyme]

I have to completely disagree. Ward was punching during in fighting.

Molina wasn't infighting. He was literally putting Kirk's arm under his armpit and tying Kirkland up for 15-20 seconds at a time while doing absolutely nothing.

Ward would bully Froch/Kessler into the ropes and actually fight on the inside in close quarters.

That's not fighting on the inside either. Pushing your opponent across the ring then punching them while you're in a clinch is just as illegal as what Molina was doing last night.

[Tmann400]

And at the times he did punch while he was holding and they were clinched, it was mainly when he had Kirkland's entire right arm pinned under his armpit and he'd hit him with his right hand.

Compeltely different from Andre Ward does. Andre actually fights on the inside and actually boxes you most of the time, and when he does hold or clinch, he attempts to work the body and fight on the inside, and he doesn't your entire arm under his armpit and than punch with his other hand.

Agreed. Mind you there HAS been some Bhop fights I've disagreed with, but like I said if Bayless or Smoger were reffing they wouldn't of let it go on, we would of seen a COMPLETELY different bout without the excessive holding. I have NOT seen that amount of excessive holding since Akinwande-Lewis, and guess what happened? Akinwande was DQ'd, and Molina at times was holding more often, and worse then Akinwande was. I'm still shocked. I lost my voice from screeming at the damn TV for the Ref to do his damn job!!!Damn joke, and I want to see a rematch that is CONTROLLED properly by a better, more competent Referee. Period.

[gquezvas]

It's a disgusting style. He's clearly just trying to survive and he knew he won't survive trading punches or just doesn't have the stamina to move around and avoid punches. This guy needs the best conditioning expert he could get.

smart fighters win! PERIOD

[gquezvas]

And when he did the fight turned from a clinch-fest to FOTY candidate.

Go figure... are fans too dumb to realize that they are hurting their own entertainment by praising this **** style?

dude you just pissed because Kirkland did nothing

[Fistic]

I agree that the clinching/holding was annoying as hell, but it was working. The real problem is the ref not doing anything about it and, probably more so, Kirkland's inability to adjust to it, hence why, IMO, he was losing the fight before the knockdown.

[STREET CLEANER]

I like Molina but this fight his holding was excessive.

Holding is part of the game but not like this