Molina is a joke

[deejd]

How can an andre ward fan be whining about clinching? Ive seen it all.

At least Ward infights and doesn't just hug a guy. There's a difference between how he applies clinches and how molina did against Kirkland. If you actually watch boxing, then you'd know that that isn't how Molina fights. It was a very poor display from Molina who was considered underrated... but now, he's not.

[Tmann400]

At least Ward infights and doesn't just hug a guy. There's a difference between how he applies clinches and how molina did against Kirkland. If you actually watch boxing, then you'd know that that isn't how Molina fights. It was a very poor display from Molina who was considered underrated... but now, he's not.

Agreed, thanks for the Green K. I just went and looked at my user CP, and I got a ****load of Green K for my posts on this subject, I was expecting the opposite from trolls. Lol.

[BoxingGenius27]

I love how I type a 7-8 paragraph post, and then you answer with a...........Smiley? Yes, I know I'm an Andre Ward fan, but like I've ALREADY said, what Ward and Bhop do IS DIFFERENT. Mind you, Hopkins against Calzaghe and Holmes, I didn't agree with. But look at the Pascal fights, the Trinidad fights the list goes on. In Hopkins' biggest fights, he didn't clinch as much.

Ward, actually FIGHTS you on the inside, he doesn't BLATANTLY hold you EVERY minute of every round doing NOTHING. He fights inside, two COMPLETELY different things we're talking about here, doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the difference. The only time Ward clinches an opponent to just simply hold, is maybe in the final round, after dominating the rest of the fight early on. Look at the Froch and Abraham fights, there was almost ZERO inside fighting, or clinches. Until the end, Ward spoiled a little bit, but after putting on a great boxing performance, I can live with a little bit of holding, 'cause I know he FAIRLY dominated nearly every round before the last round.

What Molina did, was LITERALLY use holding as his NUMBER ONE strategy to win the fight, without the constant clinching, he would of had to engage Kirkland ALOT more, but the Ref didn't do his job, not Molina's fault. Like I said NUMEROUS times already, I knew about Molina way back before anyone did, and I also rooted for him against Cintron, but Molina didn't fight Kirkland the way he fought Cintron and Lara, he didn't CONSTANTLY hold throughout the bout, he FAIRLY outboxed Cintron, and gave Lara hell with legal and effective tactics. If he would of done that against Kirkland, I would of been the FIRST person to praise him.

Hell, you know what? I don't really blame Molina at all, he found an effective (mind you unfair and illegal) that worked, and the Ref let him do it, so he said to himself "**** it, I got to win this, so I'll do whatever I need to" and the Ref LET him. F.uck John Schorle, if there's a rematch hopefully they bring in Smoger, Bayless, Weeks hell even Cortez would be better.

I agreed with everything you said, especially the Ward part.

You know what baffled me the most about last night?

118 clinches and not 1 hard warning.... Not one warning..... Not one! De****able.

[deejd]

Agreed, thanks for the Green K. I just went and looked at my user CP, and I got a ****load of Green K for my posts on this subject, I was expecting the opposite from trolls. Lol.

I hear you, mann. I enjoy everything about the sweet science and I'll defend and present logical viewpoints but most times on here, clowns create alts and... I made one statement about how the guy never agreed to random drug testing around the Margarito fight back in '10.... came back here a couple days later and saw that all my green k went to red.

In all honesty, I couldn't care less, I just dish out green k to all the posters here that actually know boxing. Keep providing that knowledge, mann.

[Tmann400]

I hear you, mann. I enjoy everything about the sweet science and I'll defend and present logical viewpoints but most times on here, clowns create alts and... I made one statement about how the guy never agreed to random drug testing around the Margarito fight back in '10.... came back here a couple days later and saw that all my green k went to red.

In all honesty, I couldn't care less, I just dish out green k to all the posters here that actually know boxing. Keep providing that knowledge, mann.

I agreed with everything you said, especially the Ward part.

You know what baffled me the most about last night?

118 clinches and not 1 hard warning.... Not one warning..... Not one! De****able.

I know BoxingGenius, it's baffling. Schorle literally was behaving as if NOTHING wrong was happening, it got to the point where Kirkland was chuckling at how ridiculous it was that the non stop holding wasn't being dealt with by the Ref, and everytime Kirkland would riase his arms nad insinuate like "What the f.cuk is THIS **** Ref?!" Schorle would put his finger to his mouth gesturing to Kirkland to "be quiet". I'm astounded at people saying Molina didn't get a fair shake, and got robbed, LOL. If anything, although he got the win, Kirkland was the one that didn't get a fair shake!! Molina was allowed to literally do WHATEVER he wanted. Ridiculous.

Thanks Davis, appreciate it. Just blow off the trolls man, they haven't got a clue what boxing is about, so they throw out cheesy one-liners and bad jokes, and do nothing but hate on certain boxers to fit their barbaric agenda. Just a joke of what Bscene has become, especially the NSB part of the forum, I'm ready to just hit the lounge forever. Haha.

[El Angel]

Ref followed the rule not allowing outsiders into the ring to a T, but he refused to warn for excessive clinching. WTF?

[bose]

James Kirkland fans still complaining there guy lost and complaining about Molina's game plan. Lol.


If Molina has more condition he'd have looked like a world class boxer. As it was he looked a bit rough but still learning. Molina got jobbed bad!

Give Molina a few more fights and Hopkins and Ward fans will be Molina fans but for now you will just continue to hate.

[Tmann400]

@bose. You said Kirkland lost? Really, 'cause that's funny last I checked there was a big W on Kirkland's resume on boxrec. Lol.

[deejd]

Thanks Davis, appreciate it. Just blow off the trolls man, they haven't got a clue what boxing is about, so they throw out cheesy one-liners and bad jokes, and do nothing but hate on certain boxers to fit their barbaric agenda. Just a joke of what Bscene has become, especially the NSB part of the forum, I'm ready to just hit the lounge forever. Haha.

No bull, mann. I never really paid attention to them before, you can tell who knows boxing and can converse and debate about it on here. I was at maxboxing but ended up leaving there and posting here because the hype train was full steam ahead over there. Sure enough, it became out of control here so now I only post when things like this occur.

I was getting extremely frustrated as the fight went on and the HBO crew [more specifically, Steward, since I didn't expect that from him at all] kept praising Molina with his constant clinching. I mean, he wasn't even hurt or in danger and he was clinching. The few times where he slipped and rolled, he looked great.... That's the Molina I enjoyed watching prior to this fight. The awkward, crafty, high output guy that always gets shorted.... the guy that showed up against Kirkland was atrocious.