Molina is a joke

[Roman Moreno]

no, when any fighter does it, it's fucking annoying. not sure why you feel the need to turn everything racial.

alexander looked like complete garbage against maidana.

I thought Alexander looked solid against Maidana. He straight up beat Maidana. Nice performance. It was good enough to get him another shot.

I thought Alexander looked like "complete garbage" against Kotelnik and Bradley. But, then again that might have to do with the level of competition. He also didn't look good against Matthysse.

[Spray_resistant]

He wasn't just clenching to survive it was setting up his offense and stopping Kirkland from mounting any serious offense of his own.

He totally schooled and befuddled Kirkland who had no idea what to do, and no he wasn't going to stop Molina in any late round be realistic that punch/push didn't have Molina hurt at all.

[Big Op]

He wasn't just clenching to survive it was setting up his offense and stopping Kirkland from mounting any serious offense of his own.

He totally schooled and befuddled Kirkland who had no idea what to do, and no he wasn't going to stop Molina in any late round be realistic that punch/push didn't have Molina hurt at all.

I agree. Kirkland wouldn't have landed that same punch in the last two rounds.

[PACnPBFsuck]

but molina always fights like this so what you're saying is not true, it's not like he fought like this specifically against kirkland.
he should get some respect, even if it was ugly and annoying. He's good at that smothering/clinching style.

Now with that said, if you have a problem with it you guys should be complaining about the ref who allowed it to happen. There were times where long periods of time would go while in a clinch and nothing was happening at all and the ref just stood there with his thumb up his butt. He should have been quicker to break them up and one can argue he should have issued some warning/took points.

Not true, he boxed Cintron's head off and gave Lara the business without fighting last nights style.

[_original_]

The thing that irks me is I think Molina could have easily won that fight in a more pleasing fashion with half the holding. I mean he was in total control and didn't need all that clinching, plus James looked so muscle bound and stiff in there and not to mention had a horrible gameplan.

[Tmann400]

Not true, he boxed Cintron's head off and gave Lara the business without fighting last nights style.

THIS. I've watched Molina for awhile, was rooting for him against Cintron, where he actually used his boxing skills to win, and a high work rate. What he did was effective but TOTALLY Illegal. I don't mind a fighter who clinches to slow a fighter down, but then breaks away from it right away to fight, or works inside. Molina was WASTING rounds just holding on and doing NOTHING for 30 seconds at a time. And the ref did NOTHING. There's a difference.

I KNEW Molina was a high output fighter going in, so I knew we were going to get a good fight which I was so hyped for, goddamn was I wrong. Answer this ONE question: If Kenny Bayless, or the double S were in there Reffing, would that AMOUNT of clinching of happened? No, exactly. We would of seen a totally different fight. Which is why I'm pissed, I'm not even a Kirkland fan, but this was a damn disgrace last night.

Look at the Akinwande-Lennox Lewis fight, THAT'S what's SUPPOSED to be done by a Ref when **** gets out of hand, and goes from being alot of boxing and some clinching, to alot of clinching and very little boxing. That's when the Ref nneds be like "Okay, Carlos that's enough with the holding. Do it again and you getting docked a point" But schorle literally was acting like nothing was happening.

[Rhyme 4 Rhyme]

I have no problem with the Clinching, especially when it is coming from the fighter that is "DOMINATING THE FIGHT"

Ward, Hopkins, Alexander, Molina, while the clinching kinda ruins the rhythm of the fight at it slows down, it is a good strategy especially when your fighting a very POWERFUL FIGHTER who can change the fight around with one punch

Molina has the perfect strategy Kirkland IMO, Kirkland was suppose to be the stronger guy, I blame him for allowing Molina to get inside so much and push him around, if Kirkland was a smarter fighter he would know how to break out of those clinches and he would be able to make Molina pay inside

go back and watch how Bradley dealt with Alexander Clinches and how even Chisora in a losing effort made Vitali pay for clinching and leaning...YOU HAVE TO be Physical INSIDE and GO TO THE BODY!

Guys don't know how to fight inside so they ALLOW THEMSELVES TO GET CLINCHED and they just wait for the Ref to break, so to hell with all of you who cry about Clinching...pressure your favorite fighter to learn how to fight inside

If you going to fight a fighter that you know he uses Clinches...and you don't have no type of strategy for it then your not a good fighter and you need to fire your trainer...with Molina and Kirkland, Anne Wolfe was tell Krikland what to do with it but he did not listen, a Jab is suppose to keep your opponent at a distance, but Jab is becoming a lost art in boxing, everybody is just looking to throw Power Punches

Agree with everything you're saying about fighters needing to learn to fight inside better and develop better jabs, but you're ignoring the fact that what Molina did was illegal and he should have been penalized for it.

Name 1 fight where Ward has fought like Molina did last night?

When I say 1 fight, I mean 10 rounds worth of fighting like Molina. I'll wait.

Secondly, why are you turning this into a race thing? The people that advocate Molina are the same one's the critisize Wlad. Are they racists as well?

Kesser and the later parts of the Froch fight. You can't go after Molina for the way he fought last night, then defend the bull**** Ward has been doing the last few years.

[BxFanViento]

I think that Molina much like Alexander before him did a smart and yes "boring" but smart strategy to neutralize the "brawlers/all action fighters" and while it may not be ideal we all know that in Boxing you either come to win or lose and both Molina and Alexander came with strategies to win.

For my money I think Molina did more than enough to beat Kirkland who was outclassed and out boxed however I realize that Kirkland was making a comeback in the tenth round so who knows what could have happened.

The ending to this fight was disgraceful! I could only imagine what a competent referee like Tony Weeks or Kenny Bayless would have done with the situation last night but oh well "RULES are RULES" I guess.

I hope there is a rematch if not I hope Kirkland/Molina land a fight with Lara or Williams.

[4Corners]

Agree with everything you're saying about fighters needing to learn to fight inside better and develop better jabs, but you're ignoring the fact that what Molina did was illegal and he should have been penalized for it.



Kesser and the later parts of the Froch fight. You can't go after Molina for the way he fought last night, then defend the bull**** Ward has been doing the last few years.

Ward holds at points, but does he do this......

Punch, hold, back him up to the ropes while holding, punch, hold his entire arm, punch, let go, punch, hold again.

Does he??? At least Ward fights on the inside a lot when they are clinched, where as Molina just holds and when the ref breaks it up, he punches and goes back to holding......

[Rhyme 4 Rhyme]

Ward holds at points, but does he do this......

Punch, hold, back him up to the ropes while holding, punch, hold his entire arm, punch, let go, punch, hold again.

Does he??? At least Ward fights on the inside a lot when they are clinched, where as Molina just holds and when the ref breaks it up, he punches and goes back to holding......

I wouldn't say his style is identical to Molina's, but he clinches excessively to the point where it puts his opponent at a disadvantage.