Molina is a joke

[Roman Moreno]

Look at that.....Jesus Christ PEOPLE!! Look at that. And people hated on Dirrell on how he fought against Froch?!?! GTFOH. That was atleast twice as bad as what Dirrell did. (Don't get me wrong, Dirrell should of stopped clinching and let his hands go)But THIS? My god. And don't say "Oh the video is edited blah ba blah ba blah blah!" After watching the fight twice now, and seeing this video, I'm even more astounded at how Molina got away with this.

It's funny too how the HBO and Lederman are blowing Molina blatantly, and Lederman gives nothing but credit to Molina, yet like the video creater pointed out about Alexander in the Maidana fight "How he needed to be deducted points for holding" Mind you, if you go back and watch the Alexander-Maidana fight, yes Alexander clinched, but he was actually throwing punches and boxing a helluva lot more than he was clinching. Not only that but if you do go back and watch that fight and compare the two, Molina not only held A LOT more, he came across like he absolutely NEEDED it to win the fight.

Mind you, I don't mind some clinching as a fight tactic, but when it's so POINTLESSLY constant and excessive and it's having a HUGE attribution to how the fights playing out, and it's becoming a BIG disadvantage for the other boxer, is when the Ref HAS to enforce the rules, deduct points, and possibly apply a disqualification if the boxer repeats the foul.

Go figure, as SOON as Schorle woke up somewhat in the tenth round and started breaking the clinches right away, look what happened, not only was Molina being tagged with clean combinations, but he got hurt and dropped, now imagine if Schorle had stopped the clinching from the beginning? Hell, what if he stopped the clinching in the 6th round? We would of seen Molina forced to ENGAGE with Kirkland. Hell, Molina but of actually looked BETTER, OR Kirkland could of turned the fight in his favor and started getting his shots off more consistently. We'll never know though thanks to John Schorle. ****tiest Referee performance I've seen in awhile, maybe since Russel Mora's performance in the first Agbeko-Mares bout. This fight was just as bad as that, if not worse.

That's not to say Kirkland would of definitely won, or Molina would of definitely won, but we would of saw a MUCH more legal, appealing fight. Which EVERYONE was expecting given Kirkland's aggressive style, and given from past fights, Molina was known to be a very active fighter who awkwardly pressured you. Win, lose or draw. Molina will struggle tremendously to get another big fight because of his performance last night with all the pure negativity and holding.

Also, like I've already brought a few times, go on youtube, type in "Lewis vs Akinwande" and you will see pretty much an IDENTICAL situation, the ONLY difference was, the Ref ENFORCED the rules and Akinwande got DQ'd before the middle rounds even began. That's what should of happened last night. Look what happened when the Ref in the Berto-Collazo fight FINALLY started docking points from Berto for excessive clinching, a FOTY started breaking out, 'cause Berto had NO choice but to engage Collazo. Anyway, I'm done with this topic for the time being. Just wanted to voice my last two cents on the subject.

When did Molina get down on his knees to try and give his opponent head every time his opponent got close?

That is what people found more disgusting than anything.

[-Antonio-]

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Look at that.....Jesus Christ PEOPLE!! Look at that. And people hated on Dirrell on how he fought against Froch?!?! GTFOH. That was atleast twice as bad as what Dirrell did. (Don't get me wrong, Dirrell should of stopped clinching and let his hands go)But THIS? My god. And don't say "Oh the video is edited blah ba blah ba blah blah!" After watching the fight twice now, and seeing this video, I'm even more astounded at how Molina got away with this.

It's funny too how the HBO and Lederman are blowing Molina blatantly, and Lederman gives nothing but credit to Molina, yet like the video creater pointed out about Alexander in the Maidana fight "How he needed to be deducted points for holding" Mind you, if you go back and watch the Alexander-Maidana fight, yes Alexander clinched, but he was actually throwing punches and boxing a helluva lot more than he was clinching. Not only that but if you do go back and watch that fight and compare the two, Molina not only held A LOT more, he came across like he absolutely NEEDED it to win the fight.

Mind you, I don't mind some clinching as a fight tactic, but when it's so POINTLESSLY constant and excessive and it's having a HUGE attribution to how the fights playing out, and it's becoming a BIG disadvantage for the other boxer, is when the Ref HAS to enforce the rules, deduct points, and possibly apply a disqualification if the boxer repeats the foul.

Go figure, as SOON as Schorle woke up somewhat in the tenth round and started breaking the clinches right away, look what happened, not only was Molina being tagged with clean combinations, but he got hurt and dropped, now imagine if Schorle had stopped the clinching from the beginning? Hell, what if he stopped the clinching in the 6th round? We would of seen Molina forced to ENGAGE with Kirkland. Hell, Molina but of actually looked BETTER, OR Kirkland could of turned the fight in his favor and started getting his shots off more consistently. We'll never know though thanks to John Schorle. ****tiest Referee performance I've seen in awhile, maybe since Russel Mora's performance in the first Agbeko-Mares bout. This fight was just as bad as that, if not worse.

That's not to say Kirkland would of definitely won, or Molina would of definitely won, but we would of saw a MUCH more legal, appealing fight. Which EVERYONE was expecting given Kirkland's aggressive style, and given from past fights, Molina was known to be a very active fighter who awkwardly pressured you. Win, lose or draw. Molina will struggle tremendously to get another big fight because of his performance last night with all the pure negativity and holding.

Also, like I've already brought a few times, go on youtube, type in "Lewis vs Akinwande" and you will see pretty much an IDENTICAL situation, the ONLY difference was, the Ref ENFORCED the rules and Akinwande got DQ'd before the middle rounds even began. That's what should of happened last night. Look what happened when the Ref in the Berto-Collazo fight FINALLY started docking points from Berto for excessive clinching, a FOTY started breaking out, 'cause Berto had NO choice but to engage Collazo. Anyway, I'm done with this topic for the time being. Just wanted to voice my last two cents on the subject.

[-Antonio-]

How can an andre ward fan be whining about clinching? Ive seen it all.

[WarMaidana]

molina stans are worse than *****s and *******s i cant believe it! Justifying 118 clinches with very little punching in those clinches, and looking like hes about to pass out and loose balance in those clinches is pathetic. How can anyone defend that, everyone defendingthat is a pathetic loser and shouldnt watch boxing

[tank17211]

If there was a Like button I would like it. It was tough fight to watch, i dont ever wanna see Molina fight again.

[tank17211]

I disagree. It doesnt matter what the fighter is I hate seeing consistent clinching.

[bigcursedawg]

If Kirk says otherwise, people would label him as making excuses.

He did the morally ethical thing a prize fighter should do; take the high road and let us fans speak for him.

I agree with you there. I'm personally not a fan of either fighter but I feel like Molina was shafted and the dq was issued because Kirkland was behind in the fight.

I respect Kirkland for that because he did take the high road, when he and his camp could have easily acted like Khan.

[Visceral]

Why does everything have to be so black and white? Early on he was fighting well and not holding much. He did get a bit chippy later in the fight. I think he was getting tired. I don't get why people are foming at the mouth about it though.

[deejd]

Look at that.....Jesus Christ PEOPLE!! Look at that. And people hated on Dirrell on how he fought against Froch?!?! GTFOH. That was atleast twice as bad as what Dirrell did. (Don't get me wrong, Dirrell should of stopped clinching and let his hands go)But THIS? My god. And don't say "Oh the video is edited blah ba blah ba blah blah!" After watching the fight twice now, and seeing this video, I'm even more astounded at how Molina got away with this.

It's funny too how the HBO and Lederman are blowing Molina blatantly, and Lederman gives nothing but credit to Molina, yet like the video creater pointed out about Alexander in the Maidana fight "How he needed to be deducted points for holding" Mind you, if you go back and watch the Alexander-Maidana fight, yes Alexander clinched, but he was actually throwing punches and boxing a helluva lot more than he was clinching. Not only that but if you do go back and watch that fight and compare the two, Molina not only held A LOT more, he came across like he absolutely NEEDED it to win the fight.

Mind you, I don't mind some clinching as a fight tactic, but when it's so POINTLESSLY constant and excessive and it's having a HUGE attribution to how the fights playing out, and it's becoming a BIG disadvantage for the other boxer, is when the Ref HAS to enforce the rules, deduct points, and possibly apply a disqualification if the boxer repeats the foul.

Go figure, as SOON as Schorle woke up somewhat in the tenth round and started breaking the clinches right away, look what happened, not only was Molina being tagged with clean combinations, but he got hurt and dropped, now imagine if Schorle had stopped the clinching from the beginning? Hell, what if he stopped the clinching in the 6th round? We would of seen Molina forced to ENGAGE with Kirkland. Hell, Molina but of actually looked BETTER, OR Kirkland could of turned the fight in his favor and started getting his shots off more consistently. We'll never know though thanks to John Schorle. ****tiest Referee performance I've seen in awhile, maybe since Russel Mora's performance in the first Agbeko-Mares bout. This fight was just as bad as that, if not worse.

That's not to say Kirkland would of definitely won, or Molina would of definitely won, but we would of saw a MUCH more legal, appealing fight. Which EVERYONE was expecting given Kirkland's aggressive style, and given from past fights, Molina was known to be a very active fighter who awkwardly pressured you. Win, lose or draw. Molina will struggle tremendously to get another big fight because of his performance last night with all the pure negativity and holding.

Also, like I've already brought a few times, go on youtube, type in "Lewis vs Akinwande" and you will see pretty much an IDENTICAL situation, the ONLY difference was, the Ref ENFORCED the rules and Akinwande got DQ'd before the middle rounds even began. That's what should of happened last night. Look what happened when the Ref in the Berto-Collazo fight FINALLY started docking points from Berto for excessive clinching, a FOTY started breaking out, 'cause Berto had NO choice but to engage Collazo. Anyway, I'm done with this topic for the time being. Just wanted to voice my last two cents on the subject.

Great post! Very well stated.

[Tmann400]

I love how I type a 7-8 paragraph post, and then you answer with a...........Smiley? Yes, I know I'm an Andre Ward fan, but like I've ALREADY said, what Ward and Bhop do IS DIFFERENT. Mind you, Hopkins against Calzaghe and Holmes, I didn't agree with. But look at the Pascal fights, the Trinidad fights the list goes on. In Hopkins' biggest fights, he didn't clinch as much.

Ward, actually FIGHTS you on the inside, he doesn't BLATANTLY hold you EVERY minute of every round doing NOTHING. He fights inside, two COMPLETELY different things we're talking about here, doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the difference. The only time Ward clinches an opponent to just simply hold, is maybe in the final round, after dominating the rest of the fight early on. Look at the Froch and Abraham fights, there was almost ZERO inside fighting, or clinches. Until the end, Ward spoiled a little bit, but after putting on a great boxing performance, I can live with a little bit of holding, 'cause I know he FAIRLY dominated nearly every round before the last round.

What Molina did, was LITERALLY use holding as his NUMBER ONE strategy to win the fight, without the constant clinching, he would of had to engage Kirkland ALOT more, but the Ref didn't do his job, not Molina's fault. Like I said NUMEROUS times already, I knew about Molina way back before anyone did, and I also rooted for him against Cintron, but Molina didn't fight Kirkland the way he fought Cintron and Lara, he didn't CONSTANTLY hold throughout the bout, he FAIRLY outboxed Cintron, and gave Lara hell with legal and effective tactics. If he would of done that against Kirkland, I would of been the FIRST person to praise him.

Hell, you know what? I don't really blame Molina at all, he found an effective (mind you unfair and illegal) that worked, and the Ref let him do it, so he said to himself "**** it, I got to win this, so I'll do whatever I need to" and the Ref LET him. F.uck John Schorle, if there's a rematch hopefully they bring in Smoger, Bayless, Weeks hell even Cortez would be better.