Comments Thread For: J. Mayweather: Floyd Would Tag Sergio Martinez All Night

[BlackSilk]

Controls distance better? Martinez has no inside game. Pacquaio has no inside game. Hamed had no inside game. Adapts? 90% of these boxers cannot truly adapt because to do that requires a high boxing IQ. Meaning they are so smart, they don't need to listen to their trainer and have the ability to see things their trainer cannot. Turning on the pressure because you are losing is NOT adapting. Martinez doesn't have a high boxing IQ to adapt like a Floyd or Marquez. They are two of the few fighters today that can truly do it.

And yes, Mosley is better than Martinez. He has better boxing skills and is smarter. But I'm not sure Mosley is up for the task physically anymore these days. And Ortiz... even Ortiz has more boxing skill than Martinez! But Ortiz doesn't have the boxing IQ and is weak-minded, so I wouldn't bet on Ortiz. But Ortiz would give a boxing technician a better fight than someone like Martinez who fights wildly and doesn't even move his goddamn head. At least Ortiz tries to move his damn head sometimes.

Agree. Martinez fights the same every fight. He doesn't adapt but turn on the heat with flurries to rack up points. Like Floyd siad, (He don't fight every guy the same).

[hugh grant]

what your really saying is you want manny no where near floyd

I made no mention of Pac. I have wanted Pac and Floyd to fight for years now, but me wanting it has not made the fight any closer Floyd hasnt listened to me, or anyone it seems.

But, yes, if Floyd beats Cotto, he should pluck up the courage and take responsibility to be the one who beats Sergio before someone else beats Sergio.
Sergio has called out Floyd enough now, and if Floyd doesnt fight Sergio we know it is because he is scared, which is what people automatically think of Floyd. As far as anyone is concerned, Floyd is guilty of being scared until proven innocent.

[Light_Speed]

That's bull$*****. So what you're saying is Martinez stands there and watches his opponents throw punches for them to get tired? How do you think they get tired if Martinez ain't fighting them? Floyd tires his opponents as while. Listen, not saying you have to like or respect Martinez as a fighter/boxer but in the same breath don't take away what he does in his fights. Name one fighter right now that is KO'n his opponents back to back? Forget it. Don't answer because You'll probably try to down grade his opponents to make him look bad.

No Martinez wants his opponents to either come forward or stand still so he can tee off on them. If they don't wanna comply he has no answer, it's not until they lose their focus and don't stick to their gameplan that Martinez starts looking good. It takes a lot of discipline and stamina to employ a boxing strategy for all 12 rounds, Barker and Macklin couldn't do it because they're B level fighters, unlike Floyd.

I respect Martinez he's one of the best fighters in the world and he would have a puncher's chance against Floyd but I see him losing a clear decision.

Fighters who are KOing opponents back to back :

-Gennady Golovkin
-Roman Gonzalez
-Takashi Uchiyama
-Hernan Marquez
-Jhonny Gonzalez

By no means are I'm comparing them. Roy started that style of fighting and that’s were SM pick that up from. Even seen over seas guys do it but not like SM does. Clone as of with his hands down by his waist.

Actually Ali did.

[BlackSilk]

No Martinez wants his opponents to either come forward or stand still so he can tee off on them. If they don't wanna comply he has no answer, it's not until they lose their focus and don't stick to their gameplan that Martinez starts looking good. It takes a lot of discipline and stamina to employ a boxing strategy for all 12 rounds, Barker and Macklin couldn't do it because they're B level fighters, unlike Floyd.

I respect Martinez he's one of the best fighters in the world and he would have a puncher's chance against Floyd but I see him losing a clear decision.

Fighters who are KOing opponents back to back :

-Gennady Golovkin
-Roman Gonzalez
-Takashi Uchiyama
-Hernan Marquez
-Jhonny Gonzalez



Actually Ali did.

Not like Roy did it. Hands down lean over almost every fight. On the other part of your comment. Is that the reason SM is not going to 168 facing guy's like Ward and Dirrell? Can't play that with them.

[New England]

I'm not saying Martinez isn't fast. He is fast. But I think it's a stretch to say he would be the FASTEST that Mayweather has ever faced. I don't even see Martinez even being faster than Mosley.

The key reasons why he gets over despite his fundamental flaws is because he is a southpaw, has great power, and has an awkward wild style. Fighters that lack boxing skills can't deal with this. They get walked over on. Take notice too that, Pacquaio, Hamed, and Martinez -- who all have very similar wild awkward styles, with similar ring successes, were all southpaws too! You think all of this is a coincidence?

are you the guy from maxboxing radio?

[Light_Speed]

Not like Roy did it. Hands down lean over almost every fight. On the other part of your comment. Is that the reason SM is not going to 168 facing guy's like Ward and Dirrell? Can't play that with them.

Ask Roy who influenced his style the most...

[slick23]

I'm not saying Martinez isn't fast. He is fast. But I think it's a stretch to say he would be the FASTEST that Mayweather has ever faced. I don't even see Martinez even being faster than Mosley.

The key reasons why he gets over despite his fundamental flaws is because he is a southpaw, has great power, and has an awkward wild style. Fighters that lack boxing skills can't deal with this. They get walked over on. Take notice too that, Pacquaio, Hamed, and Martinez -- who all have very similar wild awkward styles, with similar ring successes, were all southpaws too! You think all of this is a coincidence?

I totally agree with the southpaw observation. Think about in though, outside of Mosely who has really caught Floyd with something solid outside of southpaws...Corley, Judah.
I'll give you that Martinez is not as technically sound as those guys, but he is fast as hell has major league pop, and a solid chin to boot, and has proven it at higher weights unlike everyone you have mentioned. The guy started out later and never developed the skills we're talking about with Floyd and Marquez, but hell when you have natural gifts like he does it goes a long way. When he does keep his hands down guys are scared as **** to throw, and you know why? He feints the **** out of them and they know something is coming in return if they're not prepared. He has a rhythm to his game that you really can't teach.

I know I'm starting to sound like a fan boy here, but man the proof is in the pudding man. I just don't see the most defensively minded fighter in the sport (not that it's bad) opening up on someone like Sergio without eating something in return. Sergio has proven that he can take a good shot, can Floyd at that weight. I would love to see it. That shell doesn't work quite as well against lefties especially big fast ones.

BTW Hamed wasn't even close to being on the level of Pac or Martinez.

[BlackSilk]

Ask Roy who influenced his style the most...

He's not the only one that was influenced by Ali. Ali didn't do that in most of his fight. Hands down to his waist but not leaning over.

[NearHypnos]

Martinez would be nowhere near the fastest guy Floyd ever fought. Neither would Pac (if they fought). Shane and Zab are both faster than Martinez and Pac. Martinez would however be the most "complete" package in terms of size, speed, power, and stance (southpaw) that could pose the most problems of the mentioned fighters for Floyd. Martinez's timing is more impressive than his speed imo. He's able to land his left at will even from early on, his sense of range is pretty impressive (Floyd is better, but he doesn't throw his lead as hard, and although it's lightning fast, Floyd CAN be timed and has been by Corley, Zab, and Shane). Martinez and Pac all, with the right judges, can outwork Floyd. It's only a matter of how badly they look in between the time they're pushing. The difference with Pac and Martinez is that I feel Martinez, because of his size, will be less easily discouraged when things don't go his way. There's also the effect of being a smaller fighter and being constantly tagged which makes you look bad. Because of Pac's style, when he's hit cleanly, he always looks off. But Martinez, because of his slickness, never really seems like he's doing bad since he seems to just glide around the ring with his hands down without a care in the world. Pac's best chance is early against Floyd, but it's basically out of the question for Pac to win on points if it goes that route without knockdowns...on the other hand, Martinez-Floyd gets more interesting (imo, of course) as it goes further in because of the hits Martinez will land. At one point, you have to realize, Mayweather WILL get hit (maybe not consecutively, or THAT often) and if it will catch up to him. Will this be like Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez (but on a bigger, more damaging scale with the questionable stoppage aside?) where one guy makes the other one look bad, but little by little the other guy is just getting busted up, one punch at a time? There's also the thought that to challenge Floyd, you need a good jab, and Martinez seems to have a heavy and accurate one that could pose a problem.


All the BS aside, Floyd is more skilled than both. Martinez is probably a smarter fighter than Pac (my opinion) not necessarily *better* and the size (which won't be all as much as it's cracked up to be, it's greatly exaggerated imo) MIGHT just be the thing that can put him over. Martinez will eat jabs all day, but I'm not sure if he'll eat as many rights, Floyd is too smart to expose himself to Martinez's go to punch with a constant lead right like with Ortiz. Martinez always moves to the sides as well and has a better sense of spacing than given credit for. Floyd's best punch will be his Jab or left hook against Martinez, not his right IMO.

[tlarry]

All The Mayweather Klan Does Is Talk!

All these guys do is talk about how great Floyd is, what he'd do to all the top fighters, how he is second greatest to Ray Robinson, how they try and try to get Pacquiao in the ring, how he nearly knocked out a middleweight in camp, how he'd do this and that to Martinez, and on and in running their mouths, but they won't fight anyone unless they meet the criteria: old, past their prime, had too many wars, smaller in size and weight class, one dimensional, lead with your chin, inexperienced, or all of the above... It's called, "hand picking your opponent, the safest, least risky route to the bank". That's how the Mayweather Klan works. They won't fight anyone in their prime. Disgusting example of what a champion ought to look like. Certainly not in the same league as Robinson, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Arguello, Pryor, or Chavez. Floyd needs to grow a pair.