Comments Thread For: Miguel Cotto, Timothy Bradley, and Reasonable Chances

[bray26]

Me, you and just a handfull of other NSB posters will be here waiting for excuses if Cotto pulls this one off. I think he is a tougher fight now for May than in 2007. Cotto has a greater trainer and has learned from mistakes.

And that's what I think it comes down to, TRAINING! I have this argument and people don't see the importance of it but it's a big deal. The weight and being trained by his friend for one of the biggest fights of his career Against PAC wasn't a good game plan. And he paid for it! He has the talent. Now with a real trainer, if he can find the right strategy. He can pull off the upset in this fight

[GRUSTLER]

First off when does Cotto not get his way? Against a freaking cheater and when he was forced to come in at 145 with NO TRAINER and no passion for b oxing. His whole camp was dedicated to making sure he was on point with weight, hence him coming in low at 144. Thats pure BS bro when does COtto gove up mentally? He kept pressure on Clottey with ONE EYE and got the SD. I thought it was a tie with the Knockdown but OK, this is a man who has great shell defense. Pacman even got frustrated with him, and whenever Clottey let his hands go he hit Pac. Have you ever cut weight off your already slim body to make a catch weight? Cotto has mental strength like anybody else on Earth. Vs Pac, he only changed his gameplan after getting rocked for trying to KO Pac. Cotto boxed Mosley and never gave up. He won that fight, UD, no controversy.

@GRUSTLER, CORLEY HIT COTTO ON THE TEMPLE, OF COURSE HE WAS DANCING. It was a perfectly placed shot, dazes just about anyone. How about the body shot that sent that niga to the ropes? LOL! Zab got beat convincingly. If you listen to the commentators after Cotto hits him with the first REAL low blow (let's not forget his drama queen exaggeration attempts at getting out the fight), Lampley notes that he had already recovered from the uppercuts, which I saw too, and that it was a mistake. Hello, that was when Cotto was a fearless body puncher, **** happens. I have seen fighters get low-blowed and come back to win fights, even by KO. So if Zab was better than Cotto you need to check that again. Few fast uppercuts ain't ****, you need more than that for Cotto to back down. We all saw what happened bro, Cotto walked him down with effective pressure and Zab was not strong enough. If Cotto does a similar style without trying to KO May he is good. Unless he TKO/KO's Floyd, he is going the full 12 that's for sure.

Bet all of your points on Cotto then. You got 11MIL, I got that too. Lets do it.

[PRking718]

I was commenting on a post that someone said about Cotto getting a split decsion over Clottey....and at the end of the match a win is a win.

True, plus the cut.

@Realizniguhnit, Cotto has more power than DLH in 2007 at 154. DLH really was past it in both Pac and Floyd fights. This is all opinions but to be honest, being short gives you the opportunity for leverage and to block your body better. Similar to the results with identical competition, Cotto would have TKO or KO'd 2007 Oscar, not Prime Oscar, but by then Oscar was slowed down enough and did not have any power to keep Cotto off of him. Floyd was laughing at all his shots. Cotto at 147 broke Pac's eardrum, at 154 his power stopped Mayorga (a bigger, hard punching aggressor) and put an admittedly handicapped Foreman to the ground (though Cotto's movement made his knee gave out and he was another bigger man who hits harder than his resume speaks for, ala Floyd). Then we see him **** Cheato hard in the rematch, harder shots than the 1st, Lampley had mentioned it too. At the end of the 7th Cotto lands a body, body, head shot combo that stunned Margs, he couldn't even do the signature smile. However likely it is that he loses vs Floyd, I think Cotto has a hard time getting walked down by Floyd, who lacks the power, and more than just a punchers chance. Besides the jab, he's got a great bounce on his feet and can move in an out, should be fun to watch I can't wait!

[Realizniguhnit]

First off when does Cotto not get his way? Against a freaking cheater and when he was forced to come in at 145 with NO TRAINER and no passion for b oxing. His whole camp was dedicated to making sure he was on point with weight, hence him coming in low at 144. Thats pure BS bro when does COtto gove up mentally? He kept pressure on Clottey with ONE EYE and got the SD. I thought it was a tie with the Knockdown but OK, this is a man who has great shell defense. Pacman even got frustrated with him, and whenever Clottey let his hands go he hit Pac. Have you ever cut weight off your already slim body to make a catch weight? Cotto has mental strength like anybody else on Earth. Vs Pac, he only changed his gameplan after getting rocked for trying to KO Pac. Cotto boxed Mosley and never gave up. He won that fight, UD, no controversy.

@GRUSTLER, CORLEY HIT COTTO ON THE TEMPLE, OF COURSE HE WAS DANCING. It was a perfectly placed shot, dazes just about anyone. How about the body shot that sent that niga to the ropes? LOL! Zab got beat convincingly. If you listen to the commentators after Cotto hits him with the first REAL low blow (let's not forget his drama queen exaggeration attempts at getting out the fight), Lampley notes that he had already recovered from the uppercuts, which I saw too, and that it was a mistake. Hello, that was when Cotto was a fearless body puncher, **** happens. I have seen fighters get low-blowed and come back to win fights, even by KO. So if Zab was better than Cotto you need to check that again. Few fast uppercuts ain't ****, you need more than that for Cotto to back down. We all saw what happened bro, Cotto walked him down with effective pressure and Zab was not strong enough. If Cotto does a similar style without trying to KO May he is good. Unless he TKO/KO's Floyd, he is going the full 12 that's for sure.

You make a decent argument but nobody had forced Cotto or Oscar to go down to 145, They simply thought they could make the weight healthy and couldn't, it's really as simple as that. I remember like it was yesterday days before Cotto vs Pacquiao during an interview Cotto was asked about the weight and said that he felt good and he was pretty sure he'd beat Pacquiao, I thought he would too, well he didn't, he could muscle and bully Pacquiao around like he did judah, got frustrated, knocked down and just gave in mentally soon after that, against Marg he gave in mentally also from not using the right tactics, he could of beat Marg even with the wraps imho had he not tried to trade with him from rd 1 on, and when he could hurt him he gave in, and dare I say his last fight against marg just before it was stopped cotto looked a little weary and unsure, but I give him credit for digging deep, but im not gonna front im not a cotto hater a like cotto, but i have to be honest about what I have seen from him and I have seen cotto give in mentally in the past, unlike Floyd..

[Realizniguhnit]

I can see your a real Mayweather fan but to tell you the truth this is not going to be a walk in the park for Mayweather....it's going to be a hell of a fight I can't wait to see it.

Well yes Im a Floyd fan but im also just a realist, hence the name, and If I thought Floyd was in for a tough fight i'd say so, but unfortunately its looking like the same old hyped up script with a different character, Floyd wouldn't have chose Cotto unless he was sure he would win because thats how he picks fights thats why he didn't take Martinez, only thing we are in for is a glorified sparring match and a 43-0 Floyd..

[kiaba360]

Anybody that believes Cotto will win, i'll give you 5:1 odds, and 2:1 odds that Cotto gets stopped, too many of the e-billionaires are betting against each other but nobody wanna take my bet lol

[Realizniguhnit]

The Oscar Floyd fought at 154 would have beat Cotto in my opinion.

My point exactly, That was a very motivated and live Oscar, a true last hurrah..

[PRking718]

You make a decent argument but nobody had forced Cotto or Oscar to go down to 145, They simply thought they could make the weight healthy and couldn't, it's really as simple as that. I remember like it was yesterday days before Cotto vs Pacquiao during an interview Cotto was asked about the weight and said that he felt good and he was pretty sure he'd beat Pacquiao, I thought he would too, well he didn't, he could muscle and bully Pacquiao around like he did judah, got frustrated, knocked down and just gave in mentally soon after that, against Marg he gave in mentally also from not using the right tactics, he could of beat Marg even with the wraps imho had he not tried to trade with him from rd 1 on, and when he could hurt him he gave in, and dare I say his last fight against marg just before it was stopped cotto looked a little weary and unsure, but I give him credit for digging deep, but im not gonna front im not a cotto hater a like cotto, but i have to be honest about what I have seen from him and I have seen cotto give in mentally in the past, unlike Floyd..

Actually, I was upset the way he fought Pac too after the knockdown, you're right. We talk about the weight, no trainer, no passion for the sport but in the end he lost, you right. At least Floyd id fighting him at a healthy weight for sure. About Margs 1, I remember in a Spanish interview, maybe others, Cotto saying that he was raised not to hold men in the ring, which is why I guess he let his pride take over and kept trading with Margs. But he learned from that, which I wouldn't have called giving up mentally but more of a weakness, not using tactics just because you're ashamed...

[sterling]

Right lets be real here people the only one that has a punchers chance is Cotto but even that hes not a one punch ko artist hes more a accumalative puncher but if he gets mayweather hurt i hope he keeps a cool head and breaks him down cause he has a good chance of stopping him.
If shane mosely can hurt mayweather that im sure as hell Cotto got a chance but i suspect Cotto will box him from the outside bad move against mayweather he just needs to get in thier to the body and wear him down no matter how many shots he has to take.
Cotto is a tough guy he will take alot of mayweather punches but he wont be knocked out thats for sure he just needs to keep coming because i think mentally Mayweather aint going to be there.
Bradley i think will end up losing a decision to Pacman he will get very discouraged and go with the flow just hoping not to get knocked out i think once he realises he cant catch him or his hand speed but he has a chance to hurt pacman but stop him? not too sure.
I am willing to bet Cotto beats Mayweather

[PRking718]

Well yes Im a Floyd fan but im also just a realist, hence the name, and If I thought Floyd was in for a tough fight i'd say so, but unfortunately its looking like the same old hyped up script with a different character, Floyd wouldn't have chose Cotto unless he was sure he would win because thats how he picks fights thats why he didn't take Martinez, only thing we are in for is a glorified sparring match and a 43-0 Floyd..

LOL **** it at least you are admitting Floyd chooses safe fights. I'm one of the rare people giving Cotto a shot, and really just what the hell, he's my fav fighter and minus the speed, has the tools, why not? Floyd to me is taking a risk for the 1st time in a long time but if a fan like yourself can see it the opposite way, I can respect that.