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  • Originally posted by GOD-FR33 View Post
    Good post man. In response to what he said about conditioning. Cotto is a true professional and is always in shape. I don't buy the whole "he gasses out" thing at all. Against Cheeto he was a facing a good puncher who was relentless and had plaster in his gloves on top of that, and it STILL took him twelve rounds to stop him! Manny is my guy but Cotto was weight drained in that fight and it showed. Does this guy honestly think that Manny could stop a fullly hydrated Cotto?? Because I know he wouldn't. Furthermore, Floyd is fooling everybody with his so called conditioning. I saw a tired and at times frustrated Floyd against Oscar. He was getting hit with good, stiff, quick jabs and he could do nothing about it. Fortunately for him, Oscar was old, flat-footed, and could no longer fight for twelve rounds. A prime Oscar beats Floyd! What happens if you fight him hard for twelve rounds? Cotto is going to and Manny is going to. Hell, Ortiz was on top of him pretty good too! It would have been very interesting if that fight had gone longer. Mabe Floyd knew something we didn't? That's why he fouled his way to victory. This is how you beat Floyd. You have to have a good jab. Cotto has a great left jab just like Oscar. You have to invest in the body. Cotto is a vicious body-puncher and you will see old Cotto in this fight. You have to have a steady work-rate. Cotto can win this fight on points. Outside of Floyd's right hand which is a great weapon, what else can we say he's better than Cotto at, honestly? Cotto has the better legs, he can counter-punch as well as Floyd, and he is a smart fighter. Get ready because it will be very intriguing to see these guys share the ring. We must remember this; Cotto has fought the very best of his era. He only has ONE REAL LOSS, and even that I'm not convinced of totally. Let's give this guy the respect he deserves and be realistic when accessing this fight. He can win just like Floyd can win. You get green my friend.
    Please.... Floyd was going back to the corner laughing with Roger about Oscar. Oscar was the one looking tired and frustrated. Here you go making excuses about why Oscar couldn't keep the jab up and couldn't go the distance but you said Floyd was the one looking frustrated and tired? Floyd took Oscar jab away by popping him in his mouth each time he let it go. Bringing up Ortiz? That dude tried to intentionally foul Mayweather and break his nose. He gets no props. Floyd was stopping Ortiz big dumb ass in his tracks. Do you really have the nerve to say Floyd fouled Ortiz? Ha ha ha! You are bias if you are going to say Floyd fouled Ortiz but give Oritz props for being on top of Floyd. If that fight kept on,Victor Ortiz was going to get TKO'd anyway. Cotto is a good fighter but he has never been a better technical fighter than Mayweather.

    No one is. If Cotto was that good of a technical fighter then he would have been able to adjust and beat Margarito plaster or not because frankly, slow ass Margarito hit Cotto too much in my opinion. I said Margarito would win before they fought the first time because of the fights they had on the same card. Cotto was mostly a pressure fighter who backed fighters down with his punch. Once his pressure and punch was taken away, he has trouble making adjustments. Floyd is going to beat Cotto up and I hope you give Floyd props for it instead of back sliding because I've seen you on here for a while disliking Floyd and talking smack on his name. I'm a fan of Floyd and ain't even trying to make the Cotto fight out to be the hardest fight for him while people who are not a fan is. Same story, once Floyd beats Cotto easily there will be some $#!t talking about how Cotto was done and Floyd picked him at the right time.
    Last edited by GRUSTLER; 02-09-2012, 11:20 AM.

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    • Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
      I never believed Cotto or Margarito could beat Floyd. Floyd fighting Margarito would have been a combination or Baldomir/Oscar. Actually Oscar at 154 was a tougher fight then Margarito at 147. Paul Williams boxed circles around Margarito for half the fight. All a fighter/boxer really needs to beat Margarito is a lil technical fight game. Cotto has always been too open and hit too much,too flush for someone as accurate and defensive as Mayweather. Add on that Cotto went to war with Mosley in 07 to make a close a fight. Floyd is 35 in 07 he was 30. No way Cotto would have ever beat Floyd in my opinion. People continue to disregard how tough Floyd is as an all around fighter because of his b!tc#ie attitude outside of the ring. Pac has to fight Bradley because there is no other place for him to go. Arum signed Bradley and promised him the Pac fight and that's why Khan didn't happen. Pac hasn't fought anyone like Bradley in a looooonnng time so all of this Pac destroying Bradley is nonsense. Pacquiao may win but Pac will not look good winning and it will be a close fight.
      We've had this argument before,I always thought Marga's would have been a match up nightmare for May..Marga's does not fight anything like Baldy,although slow like him..I thought Marga's long jab and workrate would have giving May big problems..Wish we could have seen that one..

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      • Originally posted by Rome-By-Ko View Post
        We've had this argument before,I always thought Marga's would have been a match up nightmare for May..Marga's does not fight anything like Baldy,although slow like him..I thought Marga's long jab and workrate would have giving May big problems..Wish we could have seen that one..
        Oscar at 154 was bigger, longer more skillful, had a great jab and stronger than Margarito. Paul Williams boxed around Antonio Margarito for the majority of their fight and he don't even use his height. Floyd would have boxed circles around Margarito for a boring UD. Dude is a cheater so why even give him that much props to say Floyd ducked him or he was a challenge? Margarito had/has no skill whatsoever. Fight would have probably looked like Chico Corrales with no KD's. Margarito would have been walking forward trying to pressure and Floyd would have been tagging him at will and tying him up. He would have never been able to get in a good position to hit Floyd with his wide looping slow punches.
        Last edited by GRUSTLER; 02-09-2012, 03:56 PM.

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        • Originally posted by GOD-FR33 View Post
          Interesting posts I have been reading here. I don't agree that Bradley has a better chance than Cotto. I think it's disrespectful to Cotto. Mayweather has never faced Cotto's style before. Cotto has faced fast fighters, good counter-punchers, volume punchers, power punchers before. The pressure is on Mayweather and Cotto knows this. He's the under dog, he reads how people think he's finished; these are all motivational factors for a true professional of the ring. He will leave it all in the ring on May 5th and I give him more than a chance to win. He will throw his great stiff and fast powerful jab. He's going to be smart about his punches and he will land to the body often. He's a very smart fighter. As far as Bradley goes, he doesn't have much of a chance and will get stopped simply because Manny is an all-time great who thrives off fighters who try and out will him. He's coming off a controversial win and he cares what people think of his fights. He'll be pissed off and motivated and that's a dangerous PAC. I look for him to get an impressive win against a proven undefeated fighter. Mayweather should win on paper, but I don't see it that way. I think based on resumes alone, he and Cotto should be held in the same class. If it hadn't been for the catch-weight against PAC and the Cheeto, he'd be undefeated as well! Don't forget that guys. It will be a fresh and intriguing next four months in boxing.

          I'm a huge Cotto fan but.... He did fight bruseles... Just saying
          So as far as Mayweather not fight someone with Cotto's Style.... B/S

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          • Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
            Oscar at 154 was bigger, longer more skillful, had a great jab and stronger than Margarito. Paul Williams boxed around Antonio Margarito for the majority of their fight and he don't even use his height. Floyd would have boxed circles around Margarito for a boring UD. Dude is a cheater so why even give him that much props to say Floyd ducked him or he was a challenge? Margarito had/has no skill whatsoever. Fight would have probably looked like Chico Corrales with no KD's. Margarito would have been walking forward trying to pressure and Floyd would have been tagging him at will and tying him up. He would have never been able to get in a good position to hit Floyd with his wide looping slow punches.
            You thought Oscar was stronger then Marga's??I don't know about that,and while Oscar was a better fighter with more skills then Marga's,Marga's pressure is something to behold and dude throws punches from all over..I agree Marga's is suspect so I can't argue that,but I just seen problems for May if he fought him..

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            • Originally posted by Rome-By-Ko View Post
              You thought Oscar was stronger then Marga's??I don't know about that,and while Oscar was a better fighter with more skills then Marga's,Marga's pressure is something to behold and dude throws punches from all over..I agree Marga's is suspect so I can't argue that,but I just seen problems for May if he fought him..
              Fam! Oscar was indeed stronger than Margarito when he was at 154. Margarito needed plaster. Case closed. Oscar also tried to pressure Floyd and it didn't work. Listen, you have your opinion and I have mine but again, Paul Williams boxed around Margarito and held on to win and that was the fight Margarito had right after he stepped to Floyd for the fight. Oscar 154 >>> Margarito 147. Everyone thinks pressure is Floyd's kryptonite because of the first Castillo fight but never talk about how he handled the same pressure in the rematch. In order to beat Mayweather you have to out think him and Margarito could not do that. He is a come forward fighter who tries to goon his opponents. The key to beat Margarito is to keep him in the middle of the ring and stop his momentum like Mosley did. Margarito would have been a boring UD. Dude throws punches from everywhere but if you have speed, footwork and defense he is not a problem.

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