They arent all necessarily AWESOME just because they DIDNT get a shot...

[IronDanHamza]

Im seeing people on here regularly say Mayweather and Roy Jones SUCK...yet many many fighters and historians and writers say they are AWESOME...and I have 50 videos that show them doing superhuman things in boxing rings across this country...but u still debate it over and over...why dont u accept that these 2 are great as easily as u accept that some guy u NEVER SAW BEFORE from 65 years ago was a great fighter, too????

This whole thread is based off you saying "I see people saying this and I see people saying that"

You're saying "I see people saying Holman Williams is greater than Robinson" Who?

Now you're saying you see people on here regularly say Roy Jones Jr and Floyd Mayweather Jr suck. Who?

Who with any credibility say those two fighters suck?

Who in this thread has ever said anything remotely along those lines?

Your thread is mostly just based off baseless comments and nothing.

[RubenSonny]

This is getting painful to read.

[NChristo]

making mountains out of ant hills.....Rockin'

Good point and I'm getting bored, I'll bow out of this thread now.

John we rank boxers differently, let's leave it at that.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

You are JOKING right? I can look at ANY Mayweather or Jones discussion and find those who terribly bash them....come on, now...thats a FREQUENT happening on boxing message boards...

[IronDanHamza]

You are JOKING right? I can look at ANY Mayweather or Jones discussion and find those who terribly bash them....come on, now...thats a FREQUENT happening on boxing message boards...

Well, yeah. Some ******s from the ages of 10-20 on this board say that Mayweather and Roy Jones aren't great fighters.

But no one with any creibility what so ever would ever make those statments.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

PS: In my original post I referred to him as a great...and (but) I said the clip I saw didnt show that...that simple point turned into all of this...

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Well, yeah. Some ******s from the ages of 10-20 on this board say that Mayweather and Roy Jones aren't great fighters.

But no one with any creibility what so ever would ever make those statments.

Yes OF COURSE, true...yes...but who has cred here? Who is here? Who are you? Who are the people who have posted here tonight? We dont know each other or our backgrounds...for all we know Merchant, Kellerman and Atlas could be contributing to this thread right now...or it could be some college kid who didnt start watching boxing until 08'....

[jrosales13]

I don't even know the point of this thread anymore. And, I don't know how you can judge a man talent with only 15 seconds of film either but whatever.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I don't even know the point of this thread anymore. And, I don't know how you can judge a man talent with only 15 seconds of film either but whatever.

So u can watch a clip of a boxer and NOT judge what u saw? Come on, dont try to come off as some righteous guy, seriously...u wait all night and THIS is ur contribution to the discussion??? Ill show u a clip of ANY FIGHTER for 15 seconds and without even wanting to u will decide if what u saw was impressive to YOU or not. Im not sure if u actually want me to believe u dont do that. EVERYONE does that. Its human nature. Im not saying thats him in a nutshell, I dont know the guy, its the only video I have to go by. You guys come off like Im saying the guy ****** or something...I am saying what I saw didnt go with the description I read beforehand,...period.

[jrosales13]

So u can watch a clip of a boxer and NOT judge what u saw? Come on, dont try to come off as some righteous guy, seriously...u wait all night and THIS is ur contribution to the discussion??? Ill show u a clip of ANY FIGHTER for 15 seconds and without even wanting to u will decide if what u saw was impressive to YOU or not. Im not sure if u actually want me to believe u dont do that. EVERYONE does that. Its human nature. Im not saying thats him in a nutshell, I dont know the guy, its the only video I have to go by. You guys come off like Im saying the guy ****** or something...I am saying what I saw didnt go with the description I read beforehand,...period.

Knowing what I know of Holman Williams and the guys he beat, 15 seconds is not enough for me to judge his talents.

I wouldn't be able to judge how Holman Williams can do in a fantasy H2H match up....Because, those that short clip against Gene Buffalo is not enough for me to judge his talent or flaws or anything.

I do know who he beat, so that gives me some kind of an idea of how good he must have been. But, again not enough for me to try and predict how he would do in a H2H match up with anybody, not enough to judge his talents. Especially considering that he WASN'T in his PRIME in that clip.

But, like I said it's whatever man.

And, for the record, I participated in this thread earlier. I'm not just coming at the end.