They arent all necessarily AWESOME just because they DIDNT get a shot...

[RubenSonny]

^^^^ Thats all im saying...

I'd also like to know which vid of Holman Wiliams you saw.

[Danny Gunz]

Because people like to hype the **** out of past fighters like they are some sort of mythical creatures.

In my opinion the hardass fans of Old School boxing are just as annoying as the pac or floyd fans.

[NChristo]

The only thing that I would say is that I do believe that Burley is a tad bit overrated. In a sense that there is a belief that he's the greatest fighter from the BMR. I don't necessarily believe that. I think Williams has a strong case also.

Booker has just as strong a case imo, that video that Cox made of Burley's skills has led him to be ******ly over rated imo, not saying that he isn't skilled obviously but because of it quite a few people seem too think of him as godlike, you could probably make a video for a lot of boxers and make them look just as good.

Not discrediting him obviously, Futch said he was the most skilled boxer he ever seen which holds the most weight but I hate that video .

[BoxingGenius27]

Because people like to hype the **** out of past fighters like they are some sort of mythical creatures.

In my opinion the hardass fans of Old School boxing are just as annoying as the pac or floyd fans.

This last statement couldn't be more wrong.

I actually don't mind learning from the Old School Boxing fans, as long as they don't come across as elitist pricks. I enjoy having the old schoolers around.

I haven't learned one thing from some of these hardcore pac fans.

[IronDanHamza]

^^^^ Thats all im saying...

If 'All you are saying' is you're not a historian then why are talking about things you have no clue about?

You're saying Holman Williams 'got his shot' when he did not.

You're saying that from the fights you have seen of Holman William's he's not that great when there is barely any existing footage of him and you've been questioned 3 times on which fights of Holman Williams you have seen and you are yet to answer.

You're insinuating that Robinson didn't duck fighters when he did, it's documented.

And your entire statment is about people saying 'Burley and Holman Williams are greater or would beat Robisnon' but I'll ask you the same question I asked you in my first post; Who exactly say's that?

I don't know a single person who thinks Holman Williams or Charley Burley for that matter are greater than Ray Robinson. Not even morons who have no clue about the history of the sport.

[jrosales13]

Booker has just as strong a case imo, that video that Cox made of Burley's skills has led him to be ******ly over rated imo, not saying that he isn't skilled obviously but because of it quite a few people seem too think of him as godlike, you could probably make a video for a lot of boxers and make them look just as good.

Not discrediting him obviously, Futch said he was the most skilled boxer he ever seen which holds the most weight but I hate that video .

I agree with Booker having a strong case as well. It goes with the point that yea Burley is overrated in a sense. But, still a ATG fighter and highly respected. But, there's other guys in the BMR who were just as great if not greater.

And, I think you're the only I have ever heard saying they hate that video

[NChristo]

I'm not trying to butt in or anything, but IronDan does show biased torwards older fighters, even though he says Mayweather is his favorite today.

There have been a plethora of great older fighters, but Dan goes over board in respecting his elders.

But we're discussing Older boxers here, not new ones, so his ''bias'' doesn't really matter here.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

You read what u read and I read what I read apparently...I read that it was a clear win for Cerdan...IN ANY EVENT, my only issue is that history continues to treat these guys as if they could do no wrong...
I saw the same short videos everyone else saw of them and, listen, if u look at them objectively there is NOTHING in them to suggest super greatness as described in the synopsis of the same video...

[BoxingGenius27]

But we're discussing Older boxers here, not new ones, so his ''bias'' doesn't really matter here.

Let me clarify my statement.

What was meant is I agree with TS in saying that a lot of times old school fighters are made out to be more than they really were; especially when compared to the newer generational fighters.

When I said IronDan is biased and how that tied in with this thread is he's probably going to advocate what the TS was going against.

[IronDanHamza]

Let me clarify my statement.

What was meant is I agree with TS in saying that a lot of times old school fighters are made out to be more than they really were; especially when compared to the newer generational fighters.

When I said IronDan is biased and how that tied in with this thread is he's probably going to advocate what the TS was going against.

The TS is going against people saying that Burley and Williams are greater than Ray Robinson because they didn't get their shot. So you're saying that my 'bias' is going to cause me to say that Holman Williams and Charley Burley are greater than Ray Robinson?

1. I don't think that.

2. Wouldn't that be conflicting considered Robinson is as old as both of those fighters?