They arent all necessarily AWESOME just because they DIDNT get a shot...

[IronDanHamza]

What was I expecting see? I was expecting to see exactly what the caption told me I would see!! Now do u understand?? This cant be that difficult...if some guy tells me a new movie has AWESOME SPECIAL EFFECTS, I expect to see what? AWESOME SPECIAL EFFECTS

What about if there was a long lost Movie that everyone from that era who saw it said had amazing speical effects but all the footage was lost then finally a 3 minute clip of the Movie was found and it just so happened to be a boring part of it?

Would you deny that that Movie was what all those people who saw it and claimed it was wasn't true off that short 3 minutes that was finally discovered after such a long awaited time?

I would certainly hope not.

And the moral of the story is don't judge something when it's so little.

People have been praying to see some footage of Holman Williams etc for decades. Finally, some has emerged. And of course, people are happy.

It's only 15 seconds and from that short clip it's not overwhelming or anything of that nature but like I said it's merely 15 seconds of footage.

You could draw 15 seconds footage of Muhammad Ali or Ray Robinson or Roy Jones Jr or Floyd Mayweather of a certain fight and they wouldn't look to be all these people crack them up to be either.

It's just really dense to judge off so little.

[TheGreatA]

because Ive seen it a thousand times...I "base it" off of guys I personally know who spout names and dates etc and come off sounding boxing savvy but then u get to know them and u realize they are just good at remembering names and dates

I don't see why anyone would have a problem with those people though? It keeps the old timers from being forgotten. I'm sure a Holman Williams, after all the work he did in the boxing ring, would now appreciate all the attention he is getting that he did not necessarily get 20-30 years ago, or even when he was fighting.

Wow, wide open, chin hanging out. That's Williams? The guy throwing like Margarito?

My goodness

Never heard of this guy till this thread, and honestly don't care to hear about him again or see more footage on him.

That's a very "unique" conclusion to come to after viewing the footage.

[IronDanHamza]

But wouldn't u have to watch the whole movie..... And not 15 sec??? Just saying

Precisely.

It's like if hypothetically all the footage of The Godfather was erased from history and a 15 second clip was recovered and the caption said 'One of the greatest Film's of all time The Godfather' and people saying 'well it doesn't look anything special from this clip!'

[MJ223]

It isn't like this is the absolute best 15 sec of footage of his career or footage picked to make a highlight reel.... It's the only known footage to have survived....

If I show 15 sec of you against Nunn it would look like u won and same vice versa.... Too small of a sample size to draw a conclusive conclusion.... You can make any great fighter look any way u want 15 sec at a time.... Photoshop

If ur not content with the vid check the resume.... I don't think he could've beat who he beat and hung with who he hung with without being "awesome"..... Unless they ALL were overrated

[PlayerKiller]

What about if there was a long lost Movie that everyone from that era who saw it said had amazing speical effects but all the footage was lost then finally a 3 minute clip of the Movie was found and it just so happened to be a boring part of it?

Would you deny that that Movie was what all those people who saw it and claimed it was wasn't true off that short 3 minutes that was finally discovered after such a long awaited time?

I would certainly hope not.

And the moral of the story is don't judge something when it's so little.

People have been praying to see some footage of Holman Williams etc for decades. Finally, some has emerged. And of course, people are happy.

It's only 15 seconds and from that short clip it's not overwhelming or anything of that nature but like I said it's merely 15 seconds of footage.

You could draw 15 seconds footage of Muhammad Ali or Ray Robinson or Roy Jones Jr or Floyd Mayweather of a certain fight and they wouldn't look to be all these people crack them up to be either.

It's just really dense to judge off so little.

Yes it is true that he has not seen more, but neither can he say the man is great from the footage.

I don't know anything on these guys but have heard there are written acounts of fights. Now to me, you can get 12 people to write on a 12 round fight and I don't think they will all be very similar. Some are bias, some not, some will miss things etc...

So by accounts of writers, they themselves can be right or wrong.

[TheGreatA]

I know the Iceman has a lot of respect to Archie Moore whom he personally knew.

Moore fought a lot of those fighters, including Charley Burley whom he called perhaps the best boxer he competed against, and he had nothing but praise for them. He learned a lot from them.

I don't think anybody can doubt Archie Moore's skills or ability. There's plenty of film on him or Ezzard Charles.

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[IronDanHamza]

Yes it is true that he has not seen more, but neither can he say the man is great from the footage.

I don't know anything on these guys but have heard there are written acounts of fights. Now to me, you can get 12 people to write on a 12 round fight and I don't think they will all be very similar. Some are bias, some not, some will miss things etc...

So by accounts of writers, they themselves can be right or wrong.

Of course, I agree.

If someone where to say 'Look at Holman Williams in his specific footage, he looks amazing!" I would call them out on it for the exact same reasoning.

It's just damn near impossible to make a judgement off so little.

And of course of course. I'm not denying that.

Like I said, I don't consider Holman Williams to be a great fighter off footage I've seen or even accounts of his match ups. I only read those to try and get better insight on his fights and how he was as a fighter. I still don't take them as factual or anything, in terms of skills, until I see them.

But, I judge him to be a great fighter off his resume. Which I personally consider to be exceptional.

[Brockton Lip]

I don't know what Scully was expecting, but I was not expecting to see Margarito or Mayorga-like wide punches being thrown either.

How terrible. I'm usually on the side of old fighters being better than new fighters. I just can't see how this guy would be any better than what I saw. I would like to see more footage of him, like a whole fight at least, and see what we are missing out on, but only to make fun of him.

Wide punches can be good and effective. Dont let some fighters today fool you into thinking otherwise. Its not always great but they can be worth it.