Is Mayweather the most well-rounded fighter ever?

[PBFP4P]

I'd personally lean on Mayweather to beat Saddler at 130 despite Saddler being by far the very best fighter Mayweather would ever have faced at the weight and in his career general.

As opposed to Saddler, who has seen better in his career than Mayweather.

Of course, it would be a battle either way.

I don't think it's clear cut victory of either.

It would depend on the era they fight in. If Floyd fought him in his era, I would lean on Saddler. In a very dirty fight. Floyd can get dirty too. But, I lean on Saddler to rough up Floyd.

If they fight in this era. Floyd wins either easily or Saddler gets DQ'd.

[Roy Hobbs]

Why Sal Sanchez? They are very even and in a fight I'd pick Mayweather over him.

Sanchez i feel has the much more perfect blend of offense and defense. Floyd can get too defensive at times and spoils a lot of fights. The way sanchez slips, parries, and avoids punches is pure boxing genius. It should be studied by every boxer. Pure boxing textbook fundamentals 101.

How was Shane Mosley not a great win when he was at the time the #1 WW champion of the world?

Explain this.

A fighter is only as good as his last fight. Mosley was coming off of a KO win over Margarito, who had beaten Miguel Cotto bloody for the distinction. I personally think those two are highly overrated, but many here on this site seem to think highly of those two Top Rank promoted fighters. Still, there is no proof that Margarito tried to use loaded gloves against any other fighter except Shane Mosley.

With that said, had Shane knocked Floyd out with that second round punch instead of just rocking him, your tune would be completely different. There's no doubt about it. You saying otherwise after the fact is just hypocritical.

Shane could obviously pull the trigger as he did something you RARELY IF EVER SEE: He rocked the best fighter of this era who almost never gets hit cleanly.

That's proof vs conjecture.

As far as Mora goes, Shane Mosley has NEVER been an effective fighter at 154lbs. His biggest win was over DLH and since that win he had been struggling until he beat Fernando Vargas who was on his way out. Mora was no slouch because he beat Vernon Forrest without a KO. That doesn't make him even better than a B fighter, but it definitely means that he's no slouch.

Shane's best weight has ALWAYS been LW, and he only came to WW to chase DLH for the money. He has admitted that much in old interviews. That's exactly why he skipped over the 140lb division.

Floyd had approached Mosley years ago for a fight and Mosley bowed out citing teeth problems.

Get it together, man.

Shane is a good name but with a name fighter on your resume it always matters when you beat him. Shane was a couple of months shy of his 39th birthday and was coming off a very long period of inactivity. Shane also was not the 1# rated welterweight when floyd beat him. He was #2 behind pacquiao.

[IronDanHamza]

It would depend on the era they fight in. If Floyd fought him in his era, I would lean on Saddler. In a very dirty fight. Floyd can get dirty too. But, I lean on Saddler to rough up Floyd.

If they fight in this era. Floyd wins either easily or Saddler gets DQ'd.

Yeah.

Mayweather can handle himself in regards to getting his hands dirty and he can use dirty tactics like elbows and sholder etc but Saddler well and truley blows him out the water in terms of being physical and using dirty tactics.

Saddler is almost in a league of his own in that regard.

[New England]

How was Shane Mosley not a great win when he was at the time the #1 WW champion of the world?

Explain this.

A fighter is only as good as his last fight. Mosley was coming off of a KO win over Margarito, who had beaten Miguel Cotto bloody for the distinction. I personally think those two are highly overrated, but many here on this site seem to think highly of those two Top Rank promoted fighters. Still, there is no proof that Margarito tried to use loaded gloves against any other fighter except Shane Mosley.

With that said, had Shane knocked Floyd out with that second round punch instead of just rocking him, your tune would be completely different. There's no doubt about it. You saying otherwise after the fact is just hypocritical.

Shane could obviously pull the trigger as he did something you RARELY IF EVER SEE: He rocked the best fighter of this era who almost never gets hit cleanly.

That's proof vs conjecture.

As far as Mora goes, Shane Mosley has NEVER been an effective fighter at 154lbs. His biggest win was over DLH and since that win he had been struggling until he beat Fernando Vargas who was on his way out. Mora was no slouch because he beat Vernon Forrest without a KO. That doesn't make him even better than a B fighter, but it definitely means that he's no slouch.

Shane's best weight has ALWAYS been LW, and he only came to WW to chase DLH for the money. He has admitted that much in old interviews. That's exactly why he skipped over the 140lb division.

Floyd had approached Mosley years ago for a fight and Mosley bowed out citing teeth problems.

Get it together, man.

while i cant substantiate anything other than the attempt to load gloves in the mosley fight:

margarito has not hurt a fly since he was discovered trying to load his gloves (against an opponent who defeated the man he beat for the title,) going into the mosley fight



are you being serious?

shane looked god awful against mayorga, and beat a guy who was trying to load his gloves.

and before that (and im no triangle theorist, but lets be practical, here and think about the risk vs the need to risk it,) he lost to the guy that margarito beat up on so brutally

why would you load your gloves for the first time against mosley?
anybody who doesnt believe that cotto suffered a beating from loaded gloves against margarito is entitled to his opinion. but i question his motives


i question your motives

shane didn't do much before floyd (margarito, which i think we've gone over, and mayorga, then a loss to cotto,) and he looked like HELL after
against mora (not much beyond a bum, and then manny, where he admitted he was afraid to throw because of the risk it involved)

[New England]

Sanchez i feel has the much more perfect blend of offense and defense. Floyd can get too defensive at times and spoils a lot of fights. The way sanchez slips, parries, and avoids punches is pure boxing genius. It should be studied by every boxer. Pure boxing textbook fundamentals 101.



Shane is a good name but with a name fighter on your resume it always matters when you beat him. Shane was a couple of months shy of his 39th birthday and was coming off a very long period of inactivity. Shane also was not the 1# rated welterweight when floyd beat him. He was #2 behind pacquiao.

not to mention he got there by virtue of his win over cotto, which is at the very least suspect,
and more than likely came about only because of the plaster in margarito's gloves.

[turbotime]

he prepared for berto but he did not fight him. he's also a year round athlete.

but if ring rust got busted off in the gym everybody would dispense with tune ups

the man hadn't been in a pro fight since margarito
it was the longest layoff of his career (i'm about 98% sure on that. if you want to check the boxrec and find that i'm wrong and it makes your day i'm cool with that)

and floyd fought marquez (again, not a great fight to get you ready for a true ww with punching power, but i hear plenty from the "mayweather fans" about how great of a win it was,) only about 8 months prior to his fight with shane i believe


it (floyd UD mosley,) was not a stellar win
that's become much more clear in light of how the following years of mosleys career played out

he is all done, and has been for some time.

If he was done he'd have lost to Margarito. Simple as.

[turbotime]

Sanchez i feel has the much more perfect blend of offense and defense. Floyd can get too defensive at times and spoils a lot of fights. The way sanchez slips, parries, and avoids punches is pure boxing genius. It should be studied by every boxer. Pure boxing textbook fundamentals 101.

I have never seen Floyd spoil a fight at 130. Feel free to refresh my memory.

[The Big Dunn]

Shane had ample opportunity fight floyd while in his prime but the risk wasn't worth it because floyd wasn't generating any real income. Shane didn't want to fight floyd until after he made it big. Can't fault floyd for that.

[New England]

It would depend on the era they fight in. If Floyd fought him in his era, I would lean on Saddler. In a very dirty fight. Floyd can get dirty too. But, I lean on Saddler to rough up Floyd.

If they fight in this era. Floyd wins either easily or Saddler gets DQ'd.

very good point
i'd also be interested to see what the timeline of the weigh in would be


saddler was a dirty son of a gun. one of the dirtiest ever. if he missed you with the uppercut you could count on the elbow

floyd would have a hard time keeping his composure under that. i'm not saying he's soft, it's just nothing he's used to.


and floyd at 130, like saddler at 126 and 130, was a monster
he could flat out **** and he was big, and he made the weight healthy without draining himself

[New England]

If he was done he'd have lost to Margarito. Simple as.

no it isnt

were you reading the posts? or a better question, were you watching boxing before then and throughout?

margarito's wins with capetillo are all in question
certainly his cotto win, which is the win that elevated the margarito win to such high status in shane's career


we can easily see through that win now
we have hindsight

margarito is not the puncher he was
shane has looked awful after the fight
and he looked awful against mayorga



the only thing that makes that a remarkable win in my eyes is that shane was able to walk him to the ropes
and of course knock the snot out of him, put him on his ass, and stop him