Felix Trinidad an ATG at Welterweight?

[SWEETSCIENCE100]

Fine, quick list.

1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Ray Leonard
4. Jose Napoles
5. Kid Gavilan
6. Emile Griffith
7. Jimmy McLarnin
8. Barney Ross
9. Carmen Basilio
10. Luis Rodriguez (Imo he won all 3 fights with Griffith)

Left Joe Walcott out but he's got an argument for top 5.
HM: Ted Kid Lewis, Jack Britton, Mickey Walker, Tommy Ryan.

Dude I said #1 - #21. anybody can throw together a top 10! No Marvin hagler,hearns,duran are you serious? Anyone of them squash #4 on down on you list in every catergory!

[BoxingGenius27]

By todays standard he would be one the greatset CW! Weight classes changed because people evovled and got bigger. Technology grew and people got stronger and better skilled due to training improvements. Norris was a good WW. Go back and watch his fights at ww if you can find them. It was early in his career but if you know boxing you can see it. For instance lets look at Adrian Broner, or Gary Russell Jr. 3 years from now they will both be in another weight class. But speaking of right now or maybe even 1 year ago, how would you have rate them ,as speacial fighters? Or do you have to wait until they recieve a belt and the media tell you thier speacial. I knew Norris was speaicial the when I saw him in the amertures. I knew Mayweather was speacial when I saw him in the amertures. You guys just need to lay low and learn, in a few years you'll look back and see that you were wrong and ignorant in boxing!

How many times do I have to tell you man. If you want to debate me, stop writting your paragraphs in full bold... Once again, I can't highlight a point that I want to make because you always have the entire paragraph in bold. In a debate, it's important that I highlight the point that I don't agree with to save the viewers time of reading the entire lengthly paragraph and so you have an easier time seeing where I'm coming from. Now go back and unbold everything if you want to continue this debate.

Am I explaining this to you simply enough?

I feel like I'm speaking to a chalk board right now in a scene from Harry Potter that magically has text appear when you talk to it.

[SWEETSCIENCE100]

But if you're talking about Johnson, the key is he was in the "heavyweight" division.The same applies to Marciano. Yes, he was a tiny heavyweight, but he was still heavyweight.

That doesn't mean take today's weight class of Light Heavyweight and cruiserweight and tie them in together just because the fighters in the early 1900's were around this weight...

Are you saying the Johnson is one of the greatest Cruiserweights?

Are you serious or just kidding?

You just made my point son! The key is that he was in the HW division, yes at 185 pounds. Today thats CW OR EVEN LIGHT HEAVY, HE WOULD BE ABLE TO COMPETE AT EITHER GIVE OR TAKE A FEW POUNDS!

BE BACK SOON GOT RUN! KEEP POSTING WE WILL CONTINUE LATER!

[NChristo]

Dude I said #1 - #21. anybody can throw together a top 10! No Marvin hagler,hearns,duran are you serious? Anyone of them squash #4 on down on you list in every catergory!

This rebuttal is flawless, ignore me questioning your list and go straight to questioning mine.

Squash them in every category except their resumes at Welter pale in comparison.



Why am I in this thread ?.

[BoxingGenius27]

You just made my point son! The key is that he was in the HW division, yes at 185 pounds. Today thats CW OR EVEN LIGHT HEAVY, HE WOULD BE ABLE TO COMPETE AT EITHER GIVE OR TAKE A FEW POUNDS!

BE BACK SOON GOT RUN! KEEP POSTING WE WILL CONTINUE LATER!

But here's how you're contradicting yourself.

One minute, you're referring to what they did back in the day (i.e 140 -154) break down.

Now, you're referring to the weight classes of today to make a case for your agenda with Johnson.

Let's just be consistent here and not keep jumping back and forth. Are we going by today's weight classes or yesterdays?

[tesla_power]

This rebuttal is flawless, ignore me questioning your list and go straight to questioning mine.

Squash them in every category except their resumes at Welter pale in comparison.



Why am I in this thread ?.

Lolz. You really shouldn't bother man. He even called Cliff Rold his son.

Let both of them go at it. This is probably the 3rd thread I saw those 2 fights. Green for a quality list man.

[BoxingGenius27]

No, I'm out of here lol. You guys carry on.

[FJRod]

I can't believe this is still being discussed. . If Tito could have maintained weight @ 147 and never moved up Shane Mosley's first lost would have been a brutal K.O. by Tito. Guys like Carlos(lineal Champ) Baldomir would have never been known. If he had stayed at 154 instead of moving up so fast he would have dominated before B-hop took his soul. I mean really for one Tito is already considered an ALL TIME GREAT and to put Bute in the same sentence is a SIN. Yea his biggest win was controversial I had the Fight even With OSCAR. but how can u compare that to the guy who had a 25 second count in his hometown . (smh)

[NChristo]

Lolz. You really shouldn't bother man. He even called Cliff Rold his son.

Let both of them go at it. This is probably the 3rd thread I saw those 2 fights. Green for a quality list man.

Fair enough, thanks for green.

[turbotime]

I can't believe this is still being discussed. . If Tito could have maintained weight @ 147 and never moved up Shane Mosley's first lost would have been a brutal K.O. by Tito. Guys like Carlos(lineal Champ) Baldomir would have never been known. If he had stayed at 154 instead of moving up so fast he would have dominated before B-hop took his soul. I mean really for one Tito is already considered an ALL TIME GREAT and to put Bute in the same sentence is a SIN. Yea his biggest win was controversial I had the Fight even With OSCAR. but how can u compare that to the guy who had a 25 second count in his hometown . (smh)

Trinidad/Delahoya robbery> Bute/Andrade count