Felix Trinidad an ATG at Welterweight?

[The_Demon]

Top 20 ATG at WW,the division is deep throughout history

[NChristo]

Put him on your list! Lets see your list!

I don't have a list but let's have a little debate.

What does Rubin Cater's WW run or any run for that matter have over Napoles' ?.

Napoles' run is easily top 10 WW material, it's just ****** too have him below all of your lists names from 10-22 (Exception of Emile Griffith maybe), what did Benny Paret do ?.

Give me a break down of your phenomenal list and why they belong there.

Should be fun providing you actually know what you're talking about.

[SWEETSCIENCE100]

So let me understand this.

If someone asks me to make a Top 10 Middleweight list, I'm suppose to list anyone that fought between 154 - 168?

If someone asks me to make a Top 10 Heavyweight list, I'm suppose to list anyone that fought at 175 and 201+?

Let me put this as simple as possible. Now a days, if someone asks you for a WW list, they're "probably" talking about 147 max weight. Not 140 - 154...

Hey Spray, do you what I'm talking about when it comes to having make elementary comments for these grown men? LMAO

I agree if your talking to someone born between 1989 -2000! You guys are to young to even be talking,but if your talking to a boxing historian like myself the answer is yes. If you go back to the 1800-1900s heavy weights were alot smaller. For instance Jack Johnson , which I have as #1 on my heavy weight list ATG began his career at 185 pounds. He was a very dominate heavyweight. If you want to learn just ask! I know more than you would ever know about boxing!

[SWEETSCIENCE100]

I don't have a list but let's have a little debate.

What does Rubin Cater's WW run or any run for that matter have over Napoles' ?.

Napoles' run is easily top 10 WW material, it's just ****** too have him below all of your lists names from 10-22, what did Benny Paret do ?.

Give me a break down of your phenomenal list and why they belong there.

Should be fun providing you actually know what you're talking about.

Show your list first! I dont have time to explain because it would take 100 years to explain to you ignorant lil boys!

[BoxingGenius27]

I agree if your talking to someone born between 1989 -2000! You guys are to young to even be talking,but if your talking to a boxing historian like myself the answer is yes. If you go back to the 1800-1900s heavy weights were alot smaller. For instance Jack Johnson , which I have as #1 on my heavy weight list ATG began his career at 185 pounds. He was a very dominate heavyweight. If you want to learn just ask! I know more than you would ever know about boxing!

But if you're talking about Johnson, the key is he was in the "heavyweight" division.

The same applies to Marciano. Yes, he was a tiny heavyweight, but he was still heavyweight.

That doesn't mean take today's weight class of Light Heavyweight and cruiserweight and tie them in together just because the fighters in the early 1900's were around this weight...

Are you saying the Johnson is one of the greatest Cruiserweights?

Are you serious or just kidding?

[jrosales13]

FACT: 154 was listed as Superwelter weight before!
FACT: Terry Noris did fight at WW- 147 & 154!
FACT: This is my list and I ranked them on my list the way I view them!

There is nothing to discuss! You dont like my list , then thats ok, who gives a ****. Post your list of welters from #1 to #21. If you cant then shut the hell up! I see most of you didnt even know that all of the guys on my list were WW at some point in thier career. If you are one of those guys then you should be quiet, for real because your knowledge is not deep enough to even have an argument. If you disprute my list show yours, or hide behind your computer talking bull****!

It doesn't matter if they were at WW at some point. Is what they accomplished and who they beat at said weight that should justify their ranking.

And, the fact is that SWW is not WW. No matter what era it is. SWW would be either considered SWW now and 50 years ago. Or be considered MW in the original 8 weight-classes. Not WW man.

[SWEETSCIENCE100]

I don't have a list but let's have a little debate.

What does Rubin Cater's WW run or any run for that matter have over Napoles' ?.

Napoles' run is easily top 10 WW material, it's just ****** too have him below all of your lists names from 10-22 (Exception of Emile Griffith maybe), what did Benny Paret do ?.

Give me a break down of your phenomenal list and why they belong there.

Should be fun providing you actually know what you're talking about.

If you cant produce a list, then what good are you. You have no argument or room to debate!

[NChristo]

Show your list first! I dont have time to explain because it would take 100 years to explain to you ignorant lil boys!

Fine, quick list.

1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Ray Leonard
4. Jose Napoles
5. Kid Gavilan
6. Emile Griffith
7. Jimmy McLarnin
8. Barney Ross
9. Carmen Basilio
10. Luis Rodriguez (Imo he won all 3 fights with Griffith)

Left Joe Walcott out but he's got an argument for top 5.
HM: Ted Kid Lewis, Jack Britton, Mickey Walker, Tommy Ryan.

[NChristo]

If you cant produce a list, then what good are you. You have no argument or room to debate!

Now explain your list.

[SWEETSCIENCE100]

But if you're talking about Johnson, the key is he was in the "heavyweight" division.

The same applies to Marciano. Yes, he was a tiny heavyweight, but he was still heavyweight.

That doesn't mean take today's weight class of Light Heavyweight and cruiserweight and tie them in together just because the fighters in the early 1900's were around this weight...

Are you saying the Johnson is one of the greatest Cruiserweights?

Are you serious or just kidding?

By todays standard he would be one the greatset CW! Weight classes changed because people evovled and got bigger. Technology grew and people got stronger and better skilled due to training improvements. Norris was a good WW. Go back and watch his fights at ww if you can find them. It was early in his career but if you know boxing you can see it. For instance lets look at Adrian Broner, or Gary Russell Jr. 3 years from now they will both be in another weight class. But speaking of right now or maybe even 1 year ago, how would you have rate them ,as speacial fighters? Or do you have to wait until they recieve a belt and the media tell you thier speacial. I knew Norris was speaicial the when I saw him in the amertures. I knew Mayweather was speacial when I saw him in the amertures. You guys just need to lay low and learn, in a few years you'll look back and see that you were wrong and ignorant in boxing!