Who has a better resume at welterweight, Floyd or Pacquiao?

[IronDanHamza]

Judah was a career 140, doing awful at 147. Baldomir has always been a joke. And before Berto, Ortiz was considered a joke on these very forums, then when he goes life and death with Berto, that warrants him as a credible opponent for Mayweather? Did everyone forget how him getting thoroughly out-boxed by Peterson? Without the knockdowns, the decision would have been clear. Four rounds and a (subjective) cheap shot hardly warrants the title of "credible win".

Both false.

Oritz beat Berto clearly, hardly a life and death fight. One in which he was supposed to lose.

And Ortiz was not 'thoroughly outboxed' by Peterson. Infact, the draw was bull****.

You say 'without the knockdowns Peterson would have won clearly' well yeah, he would have won without the knockdowns. But what's your point? There was knockdowns. So that point it utterly irrelevant.

It's as relevant as saying without the KO Billy Conn would have beaten Joe Louis.

[Johnwoo8686]

Judah was a career 140, doing awful at 147. Baldomir has always been a joke. And before Berto, Ortiz was considered a joke on these very forums, then when he goes life and death with Berto, that warrants him as a credible opponent for Mayweather? Did everyone forget how him getting thoroughly out-boxed by Peterson? Without the knockdowns, the decision would have been clear. Four rounds and a (subjective) cheap shot hardly warrants the title of "credible win".

All those guys you listed earned the right to fight Mayweather. All of them were the number one or number 2 welterweights in the world. Mayweather could do no better than fight the top guys in his division which they were. What did Mosley, Margarito, or Cotto really accomplish to get a fight with Pacquioa when he fought them? They all had a name and the Cotto fight wasn't even allowed to fight at the welterweight limit.

[King Ju-Ju]

**** Pac. Cotto gonna spank that ass in the rematch if we get it. (I hope) Lol

[BG_Knocc_Out]

Because, it was a JMW bout for bogus JMW vacant title. It was not WW. Anything above 147 is JMW. The WW limit is 147.



So what? It's still a WW bout....Maybe if Floyd would have come above 147 or if the fight was contracted to be at 140 I could see your point. But, neither was the case so that point is moot.

We talking and comparing each guy WW resume...WW resume. That's from 141-147.

Want to talk about moot, this entire post was just that. Your "point" is also subjective considering those rules only apply depending on the sanctioning body. You can take into the fact that some bodies consider 154 SWW rather than JMW, which would make it relative to welterweight, which would make your 141-147 point look "moot" because you're using the same theory. And actually, when generalizing the sanctioning bodies as a whole, any weight between the official weight classes (ie 141-146) would be considered catch-weights, which nullifies your the "141-147 is welterweight" arguments. Actually, if we want to get technical like you're trying to make it, ONLY 147 is Welterweight. But I'm not an ******* like that. Lets look beyond the numbers and go right into what the human body can handle. Physically, when you're floating around the 147 mark, whether it be higher or lower, it's credible regardless.

[mikemurni]

We can both play that game. Where is Margo now? Where is Mosley now? Cotto might have one or two good fights left in him. Margarito was done, Mosley was definitely done, and Cotto was clearly past his best.

Marg is at Jr MW fighting Cotto. Cotto is now one of the top Jr. MW.. And Mosley is said to be coming out of retirement.. So what??

At least they had their time as one of the top WW when Pac fought them.. And their losses when they fought Pac were against each other...Judah, Baldomir, and Ortiz couldnt even scratch the surface as a top WW when Floyd fought them..And couldnt even do it after that... lol...

[BG_Knocc_Out]

I'm getting a lot of replies so at least give me some time to reply.

Both false.

Oritz beat Berto clearly, hardly a life and death fight. One in which he was supposed to lose.

And Ortiz was not 'thoroughly outboxed' by Peterson. Infact, the draw was bull****.

You say 'without the knockdowns Peterson would have won clearly' well yeah, he would have won without the knockdowns. But what's your point? There was knockdowns. So that point it utterly irrelevant.

It's as relevant as saying without the KO Billy Conn would have beaten Joe Louis.

Ortiz beat Berto clearly after round 9 when Berto had nothing left, before round 9 was a clear life or death struggle, which is why it earned itself an honorable mention as fight of the year.

Ortiz WAS thoroughly outboxed, it's an opinion, so take it with a grain of salt sir. I don't think the draw was bull**** either, also an opinion. It's the same exact situation as Pac-JMM I, and I know many will debate that fight, so what's the problem in considering this one was in the same boat? And no, it's not irrelevant. I'm not assuming this is you, but many will agree in saying that JMM would have beat Pac in the first fight as well. Again, same boat. I don't get why we even bring that up as a counter-debate.

All those guys you listed earned the right to fight Mayweather. All of them were the number one or number 2 welterweights in the world. Mayweather could do no better than fight the top guys in his division which they were. What did Mosley, Margarito, or Cotto really accomplish to get a fight with Pacquioa when he fought them? They all had a name and the Cotto fight wasn't even allowed to fight at the welterweight limit.

Earned. Yes, on the technical level. But was the earning on the level it's being placed? Judah Beat Rivera and lost to Baldomir to fight Mayweather. Baldomir beat some no-names who racked up their records, TKO'd a washed up Gatti, and won a decision to Judah to fight Mayweather. Ortiz a little more credible in beating Berto to gain a reason why to fight Mayweather, but one fight in my humble opinion shouldn't put anyone in the running to fight Mayweather. Before the Berto win, Ortiz-Mayweather would have been laughable if anyone ever had thought about it, which I'm sure no one did.

[Johnwoo8686]

Marg is at Jr MW fighting Cotto. Cotto is now one of the top Jr. MW.. And Mosley is said to be coming out of retirement.. So what??

At least they had their time as one of the top WW when Pac fought them.. And their losses when they fought Pac were against each other...Judah, Baldomir, and Ortiz couldnt even scratch the surface as a top WW when Floyd fought them..And couldnt even do it after that... lol...

Look at you trying to pretend like these guys aren't all done lol. We both know Mosley is shot, Margarito is shot, and so is Cotto. Mosley and Margs haven't won a significant fight in years! And Cotto became a top SMW without fighting any of the top guys at SMW. Face it, Manny has only fought ONE champion at welterweight and that fight was at a catchweight not the limit.

You say Manny has the better resume but he almost lost his one and only welterweight belt to a past prime lightweight?! LOL

How can Mayweather fight more guys at 147, beat more champions, beat more top ranked champions and still Manny has the better resume? Thats just nonsense.

[jrosales13]

Want to talk about moot, this entire post was just that. Your "point" is also subjective considering those rules only apply depending on the sanctioning body. You can take into the fact that some bodies consider 154 SWW rather than JMW, which would make it relative to welterweight, which would make your 141-147 point look "moot" because you're using the same theory. And actually, when generalizing the sanctioning bodies as a whole, any weight between the official weight classes (ie 141-146) would be considered catch-weights, which nullifies your the "141-147 is welterweight" arguments. Actually, is we want to get technical like you're trying to make it, ONLY 147 is Welterweight. But I'm not an ******* like that. Lets look beyond beyond the numbers and go right into what the human body can handle. Physically, when you're floating around the 147 mark, whether it be higher or lower.

SWW/JMW is not WW is whole other division...WTF are you even talking about?

Anything from 141-147 is WW, WW fight's don't have to be at 147 it has to be anywhere from 141-147...Both Marg and P-Will weighed in at 145 for their WW title bout...That fight wasn't a catch-weight either...Point is 147 is the WW limit, limit, you can't go higher than that. WW resume, WW fights. JMW/SWW fights don't belong to WW resume.

Marg is at Jr MW fighting Cotto. Cotto is now one of the top Jr. MW.. And Mosley is said to be coming out of retirement.. So what??

At least they had their time as one of the top WW when Pac fought them.. And their losses when they fought Pac were against each other...Judah, Baldomir, and Ortiz couldnt even scratch the surface as a top WW when Floyd fought them..And couldnt even do it after that... lol...

Actually they were, Baldomir being the lineal champ.

[illwill112]

19 with no understanding of the sport other than a name , for example , what difference do think there would be facing ODH when he is weighing 160 or ODH weighing 145 and needing IV fluids infusion to gain 2 pounds ,,,,, Pacs WW resume is full of this stuff , you need to learn about boxing beyond boyhood fan level .

Only one who needs a boxing lesson is you. Only thing you know about noxing and has been proven is that..

1. you dont like PAC....we get it already get over yourself.
2. You have some wiered fixation with FLoyd. FYI...FLoyd is not the greatest boxer nor will he ever be. Get that out your mind already.

[Johnwoo8686]

I'm getting a lot of replies so at least give me some time to reply.
Earned. Yes, on the technical level. But was the earning on the level it's being placed? Judah Beat Rivera and lost to Baldomir to fight Mayweather. Baldomir beat some no-names who racked up their records, TKO'd a washed up Gatti, and won a decision to Judah to fight Mayweather. Ortiz a little more credible in beating Berto to gain a reason why to fight Mayweather, but one fight in my humble opinion shouldn't put anyone in the running to fight Mayweather. Before the Berto win, Ortiz-Mayweather would have been laughable if anyone ever had thought about it, which I'm sure no one did.

LOL you guys say Mayweather hasn't fought much good competition than turn around and say none of these guys are good enough to fight him??? So what should Mayweather do, not fight anyone? You guys behave like Mayweather hasn't proved himself against any good competition but then turn around and say he's too good for the guys he's fighting? How does that make any sense.

Manny has fought one champion at welterweight while Floyd has fought several. How can Manny have the better resume above 140 when his toughest fight was against a past prime lightweight in a fight many people thought he lost? Just drop your bias for once.