Who has a better resume at welterweight, Floyd or Pacquiao?

[mikemurni]

Look at you trying to pretend like these guys aren't all done lol. We both know Mosley is shot, Margarito is shot, and so is Cotto. Mosley and Margs haven't won a significant fight in years! And Cotto became a top SMW without fighting any of the top guys at SMW. Face it, Manny has only fought ONE champion at welterweight and that fight was at a catchweight not the limit.

You say Manny has the better resume but he almost lost his one and only welterweight belt to a past prime lightweight?! LOL

How can Mayweather fight more guys at 147, beat more champions, beat more top ranked champions and still Manny has the better resume? Thats just nonsense.

Because Pac just fought better competition compared to Floyd.. I mean Floyd fought "paper champs" but everybody knew that it was Marg, Cotto, and Mosley who were the real top WW's, and that is even when Pac became a WW in 2009..

The problem with you is that you look at their loses, but who did they fought when they lose.. They fought against each other.. C'mon man.. Even Clottey was a better fighter than Judah and Baldo.. And he was because he did beat Judah to capture the WW championship.. This 3 guys (Ortiz, Judah, and Baldo) were unproven fighters because they never really fought the best WW. And when they did, they lose (especially Judah)..

[jrosales13]

Because Pac just fought better competition compared to Floyd.. I mean Floyd fought "paper champs" but everybody knew that it was Marg, Cotto, and Mosley who were the real top WW's, and that is even when Pac became a WW in 2009..

The problem with you is that you look at their loses, but who did they fought when they lose.. They fought against each other.. C'mon man.. Even Clottey was a better fighter than Judah and Baldo.. And he was because he did beat Judah to capture the WW championship.. This 3 guys (Ortiz, Judah, and Baldo) were unproven fighters because they never really fought the best WW. And when they did, they lose (especially Judah)..

More importantly than who is when...When Floyd fought Mosley, Mosley was considered a top WW...When Pac fought Mosley, Shane wasn't considered a top WW.

Marg was not considered a top WW when Pac fought him...And, even then that fight wasn't even at WW.

The Clottey level win is just as good as the Judah level win...Clottey was just as unproven as them.

Again more importantly than who is when.

[mikemurni]

SWW/JMW is not WW is whole other division...WTF are you even talking about?

Anything from 141-147 is WW, WW fight's don't have to be at 147 it has to be anywhere from 141-147...Both Marg and P-Will weighed in at 145 for their WW title bout...That fight wasn't a catch-weight either...Point is 147 is the WW limit, limit, you can't go higher than that. WW resume, WW fights. JMW/SWW fights don't belong to WW resume.



Actually they were, Baldomir being the lineal champ.

Baldo as a lineal champ is a laugh.. Everybody knew that it was Margo who should be the top WW fighter in 2006.. The media, boxing fans, and even you.. Sphinks, Judah, and May all avoided Marg.. He was #2 for so many years because the fighters who were on the top avoided him...

[illwill112]

Look at you trying to pretend like these guys aren't all done lol. We both know Mosley is shot, Margarito is shot, and so is Cotto. Mosley and Margs haven't won a significant fight in years! And Cotto became a top SMW without fighting any of the top guys at SMW. Face it, Manny has only fought ONE champion at welterweight and that fight was at a catchweight not the limit.

You say Manny has the better resume but he almost lost his one and only welterweight belt to a past prime lightweight?! LOL

How can Mayweather fight more guys at 147, beat more champions, beat more top ranked champions and still Manny has the better resume? Thats just nonsense.

You guys and this argument over Marquez is freaking old already. So Many fought a guy who happens to have his number. This is boxing and some fighters just have that number. You guys act as if great boxers never had another fighter who challenged them or just had their number. You sound like a person who has never watched boxing and just spends his time on forums listening to what other people say and then posting.

If your going to go by that then, ill just continue to go by how Mosely had Floyd walking down ***** street. That Alone shows the world that Many will has a better resume. Mosely couldn’t do that to Manny, but he did it to May.

[mikemurni]

More importantly than who is when...When Floyd fought Mosley, Mosley was considered a top WW...When Pac fought Mosley, Shane wasn't considered a top WW.

Marg was not considered a top WW when Pac fought him...And, even then that fight wasn't even at WW.

The Clottey level win is just as good as the Judah level win...Clottey was just as unproven as them.

Again more importantly than who is when.

The when is only acceptable if they have lose to someone else.. But when Pac fought them they recent loses where coming from each other (except for Cotto).. And please Clottey was a better win than Judah, considering that Clottey's loses were all fights (that could have gone in his direction).. Judah was blown away by top fighters who fought him...

[jrosales13]

You guys and this argument over Marquez is freaking old already. So Many fought a guy who happens to have his number. This is boxing and some fighters just have that number. You guys act as if great boxers never had another fighter who challenged them or just had their number. You sound like a person who has never watched boxing and just spends his time on forums listening to what other people say and then posting.

If your going to go by that then, ill just continue to go by how Mosely had Floyd walking down ***** street. That Alone shows the world that Many will has a better resume. Mosely couldn’t do that to Manny, but he did it to May.

Again more importantly than who is when.

One can argue you point with Floyd fought not only the younger more relevant Mosley, but also fought a younger JMM while coming off the longest layoff of his career. While Pac fought the OLDer version of both fighters. And, still arguably lost to one of the OLDer common opponents.

[BG_Knocc_Out]

SWW/JMW is not WW is whole other division...WTF are you even talking about?

Anything from 141-147 is WW, WW fight's don't have to be at 147 it has to be anywhere from 141-147...Both Marg and P-Will weighed in at 145 for their WW title bout...That fight wasn't a catch-weight either...Point is 147 is the WW limit, limit, you can't go higher than that. WW resume, WW fights. JMW/SWW fights don't belong to WW resume.



Actually they were, Baldomir being the lineal champ.

What am I talking about? You just answered your own question before you said that...

The LIMIT has to be at 147. You can weigh under the limit, but not over. But when the CONTRACTED WEIGHT LIMIT IS BELOW 147, it's a completely different story. So whatever point you clearly tried to switch gears with on the whole 141-147 excuse is fairly common knowledge, and actually goes without saying, so you make it look utterly ****** by even bringing it into the argument and creating a bunch of unneeded confusion amongst us. Unless you actually didn't know the fights being argued were actually contracted between 140 and 147 and you're just trying to cover your trail?

Now back to my title of debate. Physically, a fight at 148 is just as credible at 146. Are you really going to consider a fight at 170 a LHW bout over a SMW bout just because it could be for a LHW belt? Like I said, lets leave the technicalities behind and focus on the nature of the human body consider the differences between the body rather than what they are fighting for or what they were fighting at. ****, from your thought process, if two fighters were suppose to fight at 154 limit but both weighed in at 148, you consider it a JMW bout rather than a WW bout based off of poor technicalities (flawed to say the least). Honestly, I would consider it WW, because I like to round things off

And Baldomir being "lineal champ" is such a poor argument, especially when you're not considering how he got them, hahahaha.

[jrosales13]

Baldo as a lineal champ is a laugh.. Everybody knew that it was Margo who should be the top WW fighter in 2006.. The media, boxing fans, and even you.. Sphinks, Judah, and May all avoided Marg.. He was #2 for so many years because the fighters who were on the top avoided him...

Yes Marg around that time was the best fighter in the division. He wasn't no where near that at the time Pac fought him.

Baldo was the lineal champ of the division at that time...Not to be confused with the best fighter(that went to Marg) but the champ of the division. And, still a top rated fighter in the division. The thing is Floyd fought him at this time.

Again more importantly than who is when.

[Johnwoo8686]

You guys and this argument over Marquez is freaking old already. So Many fought a guy who happens to have his number. This is boxing and some fighters just have that number. You guys act as if great boxers never had another fighter who challenged them or just had their number. You sound like a person who has never watched boxing and just spends his time on forums listening to what other people say and then posting.

If your going to go by that then, ill just continue to go by how Mosely had Floyd walking down ***** street. That Alone shows the world that Many will has a better resume. Mosely couldn’t do that to Manny, but he did it to May.

If you arguably lose a fight to a guy who is not even ranked in your division especially a guy who is also past his prime there is no way you are a better welterweight than the Mayweather. If you haven't fought a welterweight champion in over two years you can not be considered the best welterweight. I am not someone who listens to what other people say. I saw all three Marquez fights and saw Marquez outbox Manny each time. Mosley only had one good round against Mayweather while Marquez had several good rounds against Manny. Your comparison is nonsensical.

[jrosales13]

The when is only acceptable if they have lose to someone else.. But when Pac fought them they recent loses where coming from each other (except for Cotto).. And please Clottey was a better win than Judah, considering that Clottey's loses were all fights (that could have gone in his direction).. Judah was blown away by top fighters who fought him...

No they couldn't have...Not all, he lost to Baldo and he lost to Margo and he deserved to lose to both. Even faked he had a broken hand against Margo when it was revealed that he didn't...He's an F'ing mental midget, a good loser, just like Judah. They're the same level fighter.

Marg, Mosley, and even Clottey hadn't won a meaningful fight in years going into the Pac fight.

Again more importantly than who is when....It's not just beating each other...Because, if they were beating each other. Then would have wins or at least one win going into the Pac fight. But, they didn't have any in years....