Who has a better resume at welterweight, Floyd or Pacquiao?

[Johnwoo8686]

Lol.. Champions meaning Judah, Baldo, and Ortiz...lol.. You are comparing to reall WW's like Cotto, Mosley, and Marg..

Precisely my friend. Cotto, Mosley and Margs had very little left in the tank but their names. Manny's managers and promoters knew they could fool simpletons like you into thinking these were legit wins because those guys had a name. Mayweather fought all those guys when they were younger and fought them at the right weight while Manny did not do any of those things.

[BG_Knocc_Out]

Because, those "small errors" actually affect their whole resume.

Still missing the point. Regardless, the names are still on their resume as a whole, only mistake was the weight. Find it funny that you want to act critical about 2 names of 12 bouts. Aside from May-DLH, Pac vs Marg was at 150, closer to the WW limit than the JMW, so why not count it as a WW bout considering thats their comfort zone (Margs at least, Pac comes in at low 140's against WW's).

And when you asked why the Marquez bout wasn't added, you were vague. Why it wasn't under Mayweather's? Because it was contracted at 144, Marquez coming in at 142 and Floyd coming in at 146, 2 pounds over the limit agreed upon. If you remember, Floyd had to pay a fee for every extra pound over. Why was the Pacquiao bout left out? Same as before, contracted for 144, Marquez comes in at 142, Pacquiao at 143. But if you wanted to include Marquez bout over Margarito, rather than both, so I guess we're both in the wrong?

[mikemurni]

Precisely my friend. Cotto, Mosley and Margs had very little left in the tank but their names. Manny's managers and promoters knew they could fool simpletons like you into thinking these were legit wins because those guys had a name. Mayweather fought all those guys when they were younger and fought them at the right weight while Manny did not do any of those things.

BS.. where is Judah now..he is fighting at LWW because he couldn't cut it as a WW, Baldo is a journeyman, while Ortiz is an unproven WW (he couldnt even make it as LWW)...

Those 3 were more proven WW's compared to any of those so-called "champions". The only reason they were champions in the first place is because they never bothered fight those 3...

[Reloaded]

Considering the circumstances, Manny by a mile.

Mayweathers resume at 147:
Ortiz
Mosley
Mitchell
Baldomir
Judah
Hatton
DLH

Pacquiaos resume at 147:
DLH
Clottey
Margarito (150)
Cotto
Mosley

In the fashion that Pacquiao won, he didn't just shut them out, he absolutely destroyed them and beat them up. They had no chance at all and they were notable offensive fighters (some past it). But nonetheless, Pacquaio fought offensively to shut out offensive fighters without a sc****. Mayweather fought defensively to shut out (some?) majorly offensive fighters (some at a lower quality) and had some minor troubles along the way.
And the fighters that they share through resume, Pacquiao clearly won in a much better fashion, in my opinion. And please, don't give me that terrible argument about the opponents being left-overs. Mosley already had losses. So did DLH. Hatton clearly had enough confidence, coming into the fight through the Lazcano and Malignaggi wins, to believe that he would win.

19 with no understanding of the sport other than a name , for example , what difference do think there would be facing ODH when he is weighing 160 or ODH weighing 145 and needing IV fluids infusion to gain 2 pounds ,,,,, Pacs WW resume is full of this stuff , you need to learn about boxing beyond boyhood fan level .

[jrosales13]

Still missing the point. Regardless, the names are still on their resume as a whole, only mistake was the weight. Find it funny that you want to act critical about 2 names of 12 bouts. Aside from May-DLH, Pac vs Marg was at 150, closer to the WW limit than the JMW, so why not count it as a WW bout considering thats their comfort zone (Margs at least, Pac comes in at low 140's against WW's).

Because, it was a JMW bout for bogus JMW vacant title. It was not WW. Anything above 147 is JMW. The WW limit is 147.

And when you asked why the Marquez bout wasn't added, you were vague. Why it wasn't under Mayweather's? Because it was contracted at 144, Marquez coming in at 142 and Floyd coming in at 146, 2 pounds over the limit agreed upon. If you remember, Floyd had to pay a fee for every extra pound over. Why was the Pacquiao bout left out? Same as before, contracted for 144, Marquez comes in at 142, Pacquiao at 143. But if you wanted to include Marquez bout over Margarito, rather than both, so I guess we're both in the wrong?

So what? It's still a WW bout....Maybe if Floyd would have come above 147 or if the fight was contracted to be at 140 I could see your point. But, neither was the case so that point is moot.

We talking and comparing each guy WW resume...WW resume. That's from 141-147.

[Johnwoo8686]

BS.. where is Judah now..he is fighting at LWW because he couldn't cut it as a WW, Baldo is a journeyman, while Ortiz is an unproven WW (he couldnt even make it as LWW)...

Those 3 were more proven WW's compared to any of those so-called "champions". The only reason they were champions in the first place is because they never bothered fight those 3...

We can both play that game. Where is Margo now? Where is Mosley now? Cotto might have one or two good fights left in him. Margarito was done, Mosley was definitely done, and Cotto was clearly past his best.

[BG_Knocc_Out]

Precisely my friend. Cotto, Mosley and Margs had very little left in the tank but their names. Manny's managers and promoters knew they could fool simpletons like you into thinking these were legit wins because those guys had a name. Mayweather fought all those guys when they were younger and fought them at the right weight while Manny did not do any of those things.

Judah was a career 140, doing awful at 147. Baldomir has always been a joke. And before Berto, Ortiz was considered a joke on these very forums, then when he goes life and death with Berto, that warrants him as a credible opponent for Mayweather? Did everyone forget how him getting thoroughly out-boxed by Peterson? Without the knockdowns, the decision would have been clear. Four rounds and a (subjective) cheap shot hardly warrants the title of "credible win".

[Johnwoo8686]

Because, it was a JMW bout for bogus JMW vacant title. It was not WW. Anything above 147 is JMW. The WW limit is 147.



So what? It's still a WW bout....Maybe if Floyd would have come above 147 or if the fight was contracted to be at 140 I could see your point. But, neither was the case so that point is moot.

We talking and comparing each guy WW resume...WW resume. That's from 141-147.

Keep schooling these guys Jro.

[BG_Knocc_Out]

19 with no understanding of the sport other than a name , for example , what difference do think there would be facing ODH when he is weighing 160 or ODH weighing 145 and needing IV fluids infusion to gain 2 pounds ,,,,, Pacs WW resume is full of this stuff , you need to learn about boxing beyond boyhood fan level .

19, yet I can guarantee you 99% of people like you on these boards ever stepped foot into the ring. Now, I don't ever play this little "my back story is more credible than yours" childish game. 160? I find this funny, you pointing out my age with the intention of making me look like an ignorant adolescent, yet you have to exaggerate your information to try and get your point across.

[Mohammedini]

Cotto was and is a perfect match up for Pac.
Cotto, being a left handed orthodox fighter has so much trouble with southpaws.
Getting rocked multiple times by Judah, being a complete sucker for that left hand.

Cotto's right hand is mediocre to say the least, something you absolutely need to have be truly effective against southpaws.
Cotto, as I said is a sucker for the southpaws left hand due to having his dominate eye on his left side he can't react to a southpaws left effectivly.

Not to mention that Cotto is a loooot slwoer then Pac and Cotto being weight drained(moved to JMW immediately after the fight) and damaged goods coming of a brutal beating the year earlier and a bad showing against Clottey..........

If that isn't a perfect match up I don't know what is