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  • #71
    Originally posted by Crazy Training View Post
    IMO he should get more recognition at the best ever. Ray was a master in the ring. Please give me a reason why he is not the GOAT
    He is close but not quite the greatest of all time. Leonard lost in the prime of his career and this shouldn't happen to a fighter who is the greatest of all time. Also he doesn't have enough fights against the best contenders which hurts longevity. Those are the two main reasons.

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    • #72
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
      I consider it relatively one-sided. I mean, it wasn't an complete blow out but I wouldn't consider it competitive.

      And yeah, he was still an absolute prospect.

      Both of these are besides the point, though.

      The fact remains that the Mayweather Sr-Leonard fight is completely and utterly irrelevant in regards to who would win between Mayweather Jr and Leonard.

      Me personally? I'd pick Ray Leonard by a close by clear Decision, UD.
      I agree. Junior and Senior are vastly different fighters. Junior is better but I'd pick SRL to knock him out.

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      • #73
        The only 2 I have solidly over him are Roy Jones Jr and Muhammad Ali. Their resumes are waaaaaay deeper than Leonards.

        P.S modern fighters only

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        • #74
          Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby View Post
          The only 2 I have solidly over him are Roy Jones Jr and Muhammad Ali. Their resumes are waaaaaay deeper than Leonards.

          P.S modern fighters only
          why don't you rate old fighters?

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          • #75
            Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby View Post
            The only 2 I have solidly over him are Roy Jones Jr and Muhammad Ali. Their resumes are waaaaaay deeper than Leonards.

            P.S modern fighters only
            maybe I read this wrong. You're saying Roy Jones has a better resume then Leonards??????

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            • #76
              Originally posted by Check View Post
              Continue on with so on. That's about where the list ends of fighters ahead of Ray. Henry Armstrong also but Ray is in the top 10 of all time.
              Lets see your top 10 list...

              Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
              Ray Leonard is a great fighter, one of the greatest fighters of the last 30 years. Despite not being the greatest fighter of his era.

              But the reason he isn't he isn't the greatest of all time is because his resume simply doesn't allow it.

              He probably has the strongest 4 signature wins of all time, arguably. But, he has a lack of depth beyond that. As opposed to other past greats.

              I'd have him around the Top 20 mark.
              I disagree.
              Last edited by RubenSonny; 12-23-2011, 11:19 AM.

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              • #77
                Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
                maybe I read this wrong. You're saying Roy Jones has a better resume then Leonards??????
                LOL i was thinking the same damm thing.......RJJ over SRL?........mmm.......WHAT ?! ! ! ! !!!!!!

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by noekin3 View Post
                  LOL i was thinking the same damm thing.......RJJ over SRL?........mmm.......WHAT ?! ! ! ! !!!!!!
                  so I'm not just tired lol.

                  Roy jones has a few great wins, hopkins & toney for example, but nothing compares to leonard's resume, not modern day fighters. Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Benetiz. That's just incredible.

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by Crazy Training View Post
                    That is a nice list but Ray Leonards talents in the ring are unseen nowadays. Still think Ray smokes Mayweather and Pacquiao respectively.
                    He's clearly the bigger man. People seem to forget that Mayweather didn't start fighting at WW until he was 28, and that 47 isn't necessarily his best weight.

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                    • #80
                      SRL gets in the ring at 160 VS RJJ

                      he gets ****d- end of

                      skills pay the bills

                      mayweather has had 2 good fights his entire career
                      corales
                      baldomir

                      and a loss vs castillo

                      still rated in the top 40 all time

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