Why is Ray Leonard not considered the GOAT?

[bojangles1987]

I always think of SRL as similar to RJJ. Incredible attributes, but when they lost the attributes they had nothing to fall back on.

SRL seemed to suddently go from great to average overnight. RJJ is similar but he did come back down from heavyweight and that seemed to be his downfall.

He did not turn average overnight. I don't think Leonard was average at any point. Leonard had plenty of skill to supplement his talent.

[LeG00N]

let's see he lost to a smaller one dimensional brawler(duran), he lost to a guy with a glass jaw(norris), and he got knocked out by pillow punching camacho. goat? sounds like a bum to me. mayweather would school him then everybody would say oh i knew that would happen after the fight happened!

I can't tell if this is trolling or satire

is ray robinson that dude who fights on hbo and combs his hair after every bum he fights?

......okay this made me

[IronDanHamza]

He did not turn average overnight. I don't think Leonard was average at any point. Leonard had plenty of skill to supplement his talent.

Post's like that don't deserve responses.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Call me crazy,but SRL is my GOAT,he was the best fighter I've seen with my own two eyes..I love Ali and I've never truly seen SRR fight,but SRL always fought the best and he was always at his best against the top fighters...For me SRL is the GOAT,there I said it...

[Joe2608]

Amazing talent and a solid resume. Fighting and beating Duran, Hearns and Hagler is among some of the greatest achievements in boxing imo. I rate him highly.

[Dudley]

IMO he should get more recognition at the best ever. Ray was a master in the ring. Please give me a reason why he is not the GOAT

I love Ray for sure but honestly 2 reasons. The fight in Montreal when he lost to Duran and he fought way past his prime and had some pretty substandard outcomes. I think he lost by ko in some of his fights :/ So that has a way of tarnishing your legacy.

But dude had mad skill avenged all his losses and fought some of the best there ever was at the div. I just think when he lost to Duran in the way he lost it showed he could be goated into a fight when most ATG in the higher echelon would not have been, IMO. But dude is a beast! He would be running **** now is he was around! fa SHO!

[Dudley]

I honestly feel and have always felt that Floyd beats Ray Leonard pretty decisively.

uhhh no not even close.

Considering SRL crushed Floyd Sr. Who was the owner or the original creator of the style that Floyd fights in now. Lanky with a speed a power get's around those elbows and shoulders. This is why Khan thinks he has the style to beat Floyd.

Floyd would put up a good fight but in the end would falter in the late rounds imo and would lose by UD if not by ko.

[tennishero]

hearns owned him

true hearns owned mayweather but hearns is no paul wiliams


pacquiao would KO hearns leonard and haggler

mayweather wouldnt

leonard also lost to shot haggler- and haggler had amost no skill apart from using his head to sponge punches

[IronDanHamza]

uhhh no not even close.

Considering SRL crushed Floyd Sr. Who was the owner or the original creator of the style that Floyd fights in now. Lanky with a speed a power get's around those elbows and shoulders. This is why Khan thinks he has the style to beat Floyd.

Floyd would put up a good fight but in the end would falter in the late rounds imo and would lose by UD if not by ko.

And? This means what exactly?

And @ Mayweather Sr being the orginal creator of that style. He's not.

[tennishero]

the mayweather's a have a variation of the shoulder roll in the same way the gracies have a form of brazillian Ju jitsu

toney's shoulder roll was cooler anyway

but yeah, the old timers used to do it, they just didnt base their whole stance around it

when you think about it- limiting yourself to a single stance means you are predictable and therefore counterable

watch floyd- he switches out of it alot- he actually very smart in the ring (as you know) but for reasons not obvious