Comments Thread For: Team Bute: Hopkins a Good "Plan B" if No Ward, Froch

[LeadUppercut]

Bute is in the exact same position as Pirog.

He wants the world, but he doesn't think he should be required to earn it.

I got no problem at all with a Ward/Bute clash.

I just have a problem with a guy who was gifted his number 2 spot telling the champ when/where to fight.

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I just have a problem with a guy who was gifted his number 2 spot telling the champ when/where to fight.

Now, you allude to a more valid point than BoxingClown69 has yet managed to put forth. Bute should be willing to go wherever Ward wants it and on whatever other terms the Champ decrees - if he isn't, and he probably isn't, then that's the real reason why a proposed and anticipated fight between the pair will break down, now or later.


Froch and Kessler were both resoundingly, clearly beaten by Ward, so it's hard to make a case for a rematch with either being a more worthy next step for Ward than a fight with Bute.

Ward-Bute made not be made next or ever, for a number of possible reasons, but Bute is the worthiest and most qualified of all the guys Ward hasn't already spanked. That's why the impartial boxing masses want to see the fight. That's just the way it is.

[BoxingGenius27]

Now, you allude to a more valid point than BoxingClown69 has yet managed to put forth. Bute should be willing to go wherever Ward wants it and on whatever other terms the Champ decrees - if he isn't, and he probably isn't, then that's the real reason why a proposed and anticipated fight between the pair will break down, now or later.


Froch and Kessler were both resoundingly, clearly beaten by Ward, so it's hard to make a case for a rematch with either being a more worthy next step for Ward than a fight with Bute.

Ward-Bute made not be made next or ever, for a number of possible reasons, but Bute is the worthiest and most qualified of all the guys Ward hasn't already spanked. That's why the impartial boxing masses want to see the fight. That's just the way it is.

Heeey look who decided to show their face again

Hey troll how dare you come back around after being proven the contradicting troll that you are.... You can respond to me again all you want, but you won't hear another peep out of me in this thread directed to you....

You're a liar who was put on front street and when that happened, instead of continuing your spree of name calling, you changed your story from:

FlinStones!: "oooohh it's subjective to objective.. Yeah, that's what I'll use since I was caught saying the "exact" same thing BoxingGenius27 said a few days prior... Instead of giving him credit and telling him, I thought Bute should earn his shot as well, I made a mistake and now I look ******....... But oh well, Subjective to objective, I'll stick with that"....

Then you try to kiss LeadUppercut's and Jrosales's ass in a weak ass attempt to get allies as if they didn't see WTF you just did.

I could call you all sorts of names right now, but I'll refrain. I'll just leave it at that.. Bye, my friend

PS: I'm glad you've updated me on the fact that Bute is no longer champion. Thanks for the good news lol

[BoxingGenius27]

Again that's fine that Bute thinks that. And, it's fine that you agree with Bute that Johnson is his best win. I personally like the Bika win better. I thought he beat Bika more impressively than what Cazlaghe and Ward did. I like the win more so. It's not his most significant win and neither is Johnson IMO. I don't think he has one significant win. What I do think he has is a a handful of solid wins that makes his overall body of work deserving of his ranking.

And, you and him thinking Johnson is his best win...But, do you believe it's a significant win? I don't...But, I think it's solid along the lines with his other wins. Because, it's the overall body of work.

You're looking for a significant win...Which there isn't any. But, again there is a body of work. It's not about being right or wrong it's about using logic.

Basically what you're asking for is another S6. Where you have Bute, Froch, Kessler, throw in the Dirrell brothers, and Steiglitz since he has a belt. Have them fight it out for the next 2 years cuz' that's how long it last. And, in the mean time have Ward sit out for two years until the winner emerges. Which is simply ******ed.

Ward doesn't have to fight Bute next...I'm not saying that. Ward earn the right to have a gimme. But, a Bute fight is a must to happen at some point while both are the top 2 in the division. You can't get the ranking Bute has without earning it. It's not just about sitting out the tournament...Again Anthony Dirrell sat out and his' not as highly rank as Bute. Andre Dirrell got a win in the tourney and decided to walk away instead of facing Andre Ward. He doesn't have the ranking of Bute.

It's mind boggling why you will ask an elite P4P fighter, who is entering his prime, who might be the face of boxing and a future P4P #1 to basically retire. Because, that's what you're asking retire until someone worthy comes along. It's complete silliness. Especially since he can start his push for ATG's by cleaning out this division.

Let's be clear.

No one's asking for another SS and no one's saying Ward vs Bute "shouldn't" happen... Why is that so hard for you to understand, Rosales?

Ward has an injury anyway. He'll be out of commission for awhile...

But whether Ward was resting or not, I would still say the same thing. Bute and a few others need to prove themselves with tough competition first before facing the SS winner.

You don't have to be dramatic saying Ward will sit out for 2 years, because if you're smart, you wouldn't consider that a serious comment, but maybe I'm assuming about you.

But let's use your logic.

Why didn't Froch just stay in England and not enter the SS at all? I mean let's face it. The way some of you guys are talking, entering the SS was the ******ist thing a fighter could do.... Especially when all Froch had to do to get a title shot was stay in England and beat up on low-level opposition, right?

Why don't you realize that if Bute fights Ward next, not only does that ruin the credibility of the tourny, but I'll guarantee you that we'll never see that type of tourny again. If all fighters have to do to get a shot at the winner is stay on the sidelines, "no one" will want to enter another tourny again. They'll all be waiting for a winner.

All hate for Ward aside, I really don't see how this is so hard to understand; let alone insult anyone that feels this way.

[jrosales13]

Heeey look who decided to show their face again

Hey troll how dare you come back around after being proven the contradicting troll that you are.... You can responding to me again all you want, but you won't hear another peep out of me in this thread directed to you....

You're a liar who was put on front street and when that happened, instead of continuing your spree of name calling, you changed your story from "oooohh it's subjective to objective.. Yeah, that's what it is... Subjective to objective"....

Then you try to kiss LeadUppercut's and Jrosales's ass in a weak ass attempt to get allies as if they didn't see WTF you just did.

I could call you all sorts of names right now, but I'll refrain. I'll just leave it at that.. Bye, my friend

PS: I'm glad you've updated me on the fact that Bute is no longer champion. Thanks for the good news lol

FWIW, I seriously doubt that Stones would want to kiss my ass or give two ****s if I was his ally or not. Especially since we have butted heads on here before. And, he has never been one who has needed help or cared for allies in a debate prior.

Again it's about using logic. Try it.

[BoxingGenius27]

FWIW, I seriously doubt that Stones would want to kiss my ass or give two ****s if I was his ally or not. Especially since we have butted heads on here before. And, he has never been one who has needed help or cared for allies in a debate prior.

Again it's about using logic. Try it.

STFU and go back and delete one of your posts like you're known to do

Here we are a few days later and you still can't answer that... I'm not changing the subject or anything, but before I answer any more of your posts, I just need to know the following:

Why would you pull the most cowardly internet act one can pull and "DELETE" your pathetic post, when proven wrong? Can you even answer that??

[jrosales13]

Let's be clear.

No one's asking for another SS and no one's saying Ward vs Bute "shouldn't" happen... Why is that so hard for you to understand, Rosales?

Ward has an injury anyway. He'll be out of commission for awhile...

But whether Ward was resting or not, I would still say the same thing. Bute and a few others need to prove themselves with tough competition first before facing the SS winner.

You don't have to be dramatic saying Ward will sit out for 2 years, because if you're smart, you wouldn't consider that a serious comment, but maybe I'm assuming about you.

But let's use your logic.

Why didn't Froch just stay in England and not enter the SS at all? I mean let's face it. The way some of you guys are talking, entering the SS was the ******ist thing a fighter could do.... Especially when all Froch had to do to get a title shot was stay in England and beat up on low-level opposition, right?

Why don't you realize that if Bute fights Ward next, not only does that ruin the credibility of the tourny, but I'll guarantee you that we'll never see that type of tourny again. If all fighters have to do to get a shot at the winner is stay on the sidelines, "no one" will want to enter another tourny again. They'll all be waiting for a winner.

All hate for Ward aside, I really don't see how this is so hard to understand; let alone insult anyone that feels this way.

No it does not ruin the credibility of the tournament...Again if it wasn't for the tournament Ward wouldn't be where he's at right now. The only one being dramatic is you who's saying that "no one" would want to enter another tournament again. Which is silly because if they don't. Then they don't have the stature that Ward has now.

Again Moreno, like Bute, wasn't invited to the bantamweight tournament. Donaire and Montiel were but not Moreno. How does Moreno not deserve to fight the winner of the tournament in Abner Mares? That's silly...Right now that's the one fight that is must for it to happen at 118 in 2012.

Again it doesn't have to happen next but it has to happen at one point while both are still relevant.

For the last time, I'm all for Ward to heal and get a gimme fight or two. In the mean time Bute can go and fight Froch, or Andre Dirrell, hell even the winner of Kessler-Steglitz. I have no problem with that. Because, again it doesn't have to happen next. But, while both are the top 2 in the division it has to happen at some point in 2012.

It was repeatedly ask for you to mention who should Ward fight next. And, you basically said he should sit out...Matter you said "that's exactly what I'm saying" when I questioned if that was what you're asking for. So I wasn't being dramatic. You said you would want the man to sit out until a deserving challenger came aboard.

[BoxingGenius27]

No it does ruin the credibility of the tournament...Again if it wasn't for the tournament Ward wouldn't be where he's at right now. The only one being dramatic is you who's saying that "no one" would want to enter another tournament again. Which is silly because if they don't. Then they don't have the stature that Ward has now.

Again Moreno, like Bute, wasn't invited to the bantamweight tournament. Donaire and Montiel were but not Moreno. How does Moreno not deserve to fight the winner of the tournament in Abner Mares? That's silly...Right now that's the one fight that is must for it to happen at 118 in 2012.

Again it doesn't have to happen next but it has to happen at one point while both are still relevant.

For the last time, I'm all for Ward to heal and get a gimme fight or two. In the mean time Bute can go and fight Froch, or Andre Dirrell, hell even the winner of Kessler-Steglitz. I have no problem with that. Because, again it doesn't have to happen next. But, while both are the top 2 in the division it has to happen at some point in 2012.

It was repeatedly ask for you to mention who should Ward fight next. And, you basically said he should sit out...Matter you said "that's exactly what I'm saying" when I questioned if that was what you're asking for. So I wasn't being dramatic. You said you would want the man to sit out until a deserving challenger came aboard.

I can't read one sentence from your (expletive) (expletive), until you answer why you delete your posts when proven wrong.

You know what, now that I really see you for what you are, back to ignore you go. Now I remember why I had you there in the first place. I can't debate someone, that trolls, then deletes posts when caught.

Until next time, my friend

[LeadUppercut]

Now, you allude to a more valid point than BoxingClown69 has yet managed to put forth. Bute should be willing to go wherever Ward wants it and on whatever other terms the Champ decrees - if he isn't, and he probably isn't, then that's the real reason why a proposed and anticipated fight between the pair will break down, now or later.

Froch and Kessler were both resoundingly, clearly beaten by Ward, so it's hard to make a case for a rematch with either being a more worthy next step for Ward than a fight with Bute.

Ward-Bute made not be made next or ever, for a number of possible reasons, but Bute is the worthiest and most qualified of all the guys Ward hasn't already spanked. That's why the impartial boxing masses want to see the fight. That's just the way it is.

I pretty much agree, and can't argue with the bold.

Ward just walked the gauntlet, he is the man at SMW.

Bute should be on Ward's radar anyway, as a titlist and the only real unanswered question left at 168..... but Bute doesn't get to walk around the other Super-6 competitors and then make demands on the champ.....

Bute's reason for fighting lesser opponents is somewhat justified in that the top guys were tied up with the Super-6..... well, they aren't tied up now, and it would not hurt him to rack up at least one meaningful defense before calling out the champ, especially if Ward wants to take a mandatory or a fight at home, but also because I am not convinced that he could beat either Kessler or Froch.

Personally, if not Ward/Bute next..... then I would prefer Kessler/Bute, with the winner going on to fight Ward, and Froch/Bika on the undercard

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I pretty much agree, and can't argue with the bold.

Ward just walked the gauntlet, he is the man at SMW.

Bute should be on Ward's radar anyway, as a titlist and the only real unanswered question left at 168..... but Bute doesn't get to walk around the other Super-6 competitors and then make demands on the champ.....

Bute's reason for fighting lesser opponents is somewhat justified in that the top guys were tied up with the Super-6..... well, they aren't tied up now, and it would not hurt him to rack up at least one meaningful defense before calling out the champ, especially if Ward wants to take a mandatory or a fight at home.

Personally, if not Ward/Bute next..... then I would prefer Kessler/Bute, with the winner going on to fight Ward, and Froch/Bika on the undercard

And I can agree with pretty much all of that.


It's pretty easy for two guys to agree on this kind of thing when both are rational and making sense.