Who punches harder: Sven Ottke or Andre Ward?

[gauze]

probably ward, but the mundine stoppage is better than ward's best stoppages (jerson ravelo and rubin williams). it's an interesting question haha.

i would say ward because he KO'd most of the cans he fought on the way up, while ottke didnt. but on the other hand, ottke has more KO's than ward, as opposed to TKOs.

might have to chalk this one up to a draw

[Check]

You sad little man

Tunney has came back as a worse troll than he used to be. Now he tries to be sneaky about it but he isn't fooling anyone. Tunney, you ain't a bad dude but you need to cut the ****.

[The Hammer]

Boxrec is the WORST place to use as a source.

BoxRec: computerized rankings
The Ring: rankings biased nationalistic Americans like Check

Which is more credible?

[Check]

BoxRec: computerized rankings
The Ring: rankings biased nationalistic Americans like Check

Which is more credible?

So Cornelis Bundruge is a top 20 fighter in the world? That's your boxrec for you. I watch the fights, it's pretty easy to know who are the best fighters in the world. I don't need silly mags to tell me this.

[gauze]

as far as boxing dying in america and american fighters not being able to draw, you have to remember the US is a lot bigger than most other countries. it's not always feasible for us to drop everything in our lives to take a vacation to las vegas.

if promoters got more local, took the show on the road, and built regional fanbases instead of just taking site fees from a casino and comp'ing tickets to highrollers..i'm sure the attendance at fights in america would be better

[Mohammedini]

Of course they are. The Klitschkos are clearly better than any American heavyweights. The best cruiserweights including the American Cunningham fight in Germany. Of course, the American boxing media will say those divisions are no good.

Why in the name of God would somebody in Sweden hate European boxers. Are you some silly white Swedish guy who wants to be an African-American?

HW and CW div do suck. A lot

The fact that you say the guy hates European boxers for saying that America has more high lvl fighters and accusing him of being a ****** just shows how sick in the head you are.

We get it you love to discredit American fighters especially african-american ones, but yet you flip out and accuse people of being a racist as soon as they criticize the Klitschko brothers.

Everything is so racial with you...
Seriously get a ****ing life Tunney.

I can't think of a more subjective and biased poster then you

[PEBBLES!]

There are more sports than just boxing in the U.S., thus not as many fans.

You think boxing is the UK's national sport?

[Check]

as far as boxing dying in america and american fighters not being able to draw, you have to remember the US is a lot bigger than most other countries. it's not always feasible for us to drop everything in our lives to take a vacation to las vegas.

if promoters got more local, took the show on the road, and built regional fanbases instead of just taking site fees from a casino and comp'ing tickets to highrollers..i'm sure the attendance at fights in america would be better

This is true but part of the reason the best fighters in the world fight in America is those huge paydays that only Vegas can bring. That's why there is a huge difference between a bum like Ottke never leaving Germany and Ward not leaving America.

[Check]

You think boxing is the UK's national sport?

They should focus more on boxing because their soccer team is probably more pathetic.

[The Hammer]

So Cornelis Bundruge is a top 20 fighter in the world? That's your boxrec for you. I watch the fights, it's pretty easy to know who are the best fighters in the world. I don't need silly mags to tell me this.

What I actually see from watching the fights: Ward isn't as good as Bute.

-Bute doesn't need to hold his opponents' arms
-Bute KOs fighters like Miranda, Ward decisions them
-Bute doesn't deliberately headbutt as part of his overall game plan
-Bute doesn't rub his head into his opponents' faces
-Bute has never worked with a convicted felon like Victor Conte

needing to cheat is weak