Floyd is a better offensive fighter than Manny! Pac-JMM & PBF-JMM fights prove it.

[STFU!!]

Mayweather is easily better offensively, people who say otherwise don't know **** about boxing. speed and power have nothing to do with offensive technique. Thats like saying mike tyson has a better offense than ali.

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You're not making much sense. You seem to be making the argument that Pacquiao hits harder, not that he's a better offensive fighter. You need to focus on the actual point of contention. Citing the damage that Pacquiao does to his opponents doesn't prove that he's a better offensive fighter than Mayweather. I say that Mayweather has a better jab, is a better counter-puncher, has a more diverse attack, is more accurate, is just as fast or faster and is just more skilled offensively than Pacquiao is. What will Pacquiao's power mean in a fight with a guy that he can't hit cleanly?

Wrong not only does Manny punch harder manny lands more punches and he lands more damaging punches. If the point of boxing is to simply place the glove on the face accuratley then hooray Floyd is the greatest offensive fighter ever. Good thing is that boxing is also about hurting your opponent and again Pac is more "effective at that". Actually hurting people in my mind makes your offense more effective. Thats why I consider manny better. Not because his punches are pretty or his compubox stats are beautiful. It's because he ***'s people up!


And you are right how effective will pac be if he doesn't land, well how effective will Floyds defense be if he does't punch? That right there will be the key to the fight itself if it ever happens.

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Mayweather is easily better offensively, people who say otherwise don't know **** about boxing. speed and power have nothing to do with offensive technique. Thats like saying mike tyson has a better offense than ali.

Basically what you are saying is that if it look pretty then it's more effective.

LOL!!!

[thatnickuh]

So... Mosley, JMM, Hatton and Oscar had stellar defense? Manny fought Clottey, who is a great defensive fighter, he didn't lose a round. Please tell me how accurate Floyd was against Cotto or Margarito or Clottey? Oh wait, you can't. Since '08 Manny has fought 9 times, in that same span for Floyd... 3 times. He's fought a 1/3 of what Floyd has and against ALL kinds of fighters.

Floyd simply CANNOT K.O you with a legit punch. He hasn't since Hatton and he had to move up to 147 and it took him 11 rounds. Manny can put you down and even have you snoring with a single punch, guys are trying to avoid Manny's punches where as they are trying to hit Floyd.

Again, power doesn't equal offensive capabilities. Even if Pacquiao has more power, that alone doesn't make him a better offensive fighter. What is with these simple elementary school level arguments?

[Beater_of_ass]

Again, power doesn't equal offensive capabilities. Even if Pacquiao has more power, that alone doesn't make him a better offensive fighter. What is with these simple elementary school level arguments?

I never said he was a better offensive fighter solely because of his power. But its the most decisive reason why. If you punch a guy and he simply doesn't come forward then you are 100% on the offense. Not because you are faster, throw a lot of punches, great head movement its because you hit like a ****ing mule. As I said people aren't afraid to get hit by Floyd so they come to him. Once they feel Manny's power they got on their bicycle and... you know what, what the hell am I saying. Why does this even need to be explained, if you really think Floyd is better offensively than Manny you're just a fanboy and a total dumbass.

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I'm not mad at anything. Why would your ignorance anger me? You're a socalled boxing fan who think's the best technical boxer in the sport is "boring". That's a personal problem for you. Obviously I don't agree with that, I enjoy watching Mayweather in the ring. He's a boxing genius in my opinion. It doesn't seem like
Mayweather has too much trouble getting people to pay to see him so don't where you're coming from with that "nobody pays to see....." nonsense.

It's not a personal problem it's what I favor! Just because I want action doesn't mean Im not a real boxing fan it just means I have a diffrent opinion than you. The only ignorent one here is you since you haven't yet figured out that diffrent people enjoy diffrent things.

Oh and it's Floyds antics and attitude that sells fights not his skills. Strip away the Money mayweather persona and what do you have? Andre Ward LOL!!!

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Again, power doesn't equal offensive capabilities. Even if Pacquiao has more power, that alone doesn't make him a better offensive fighter. What is with these simple elementary school level arguments?

It's not just about power it's about overall effectiveness! Who is a better offensive fighter is not a complicated question so why do you need a sophisticated answer when the simplest one will do?

[Cash Cow]

Wrong not only does Manny punch harder manny lands more punches and he lands more damaging punches. If the point of boxing is to simply place the glove on the face accuratley then hooray Floyd is the greatest offensive fighter ever. Good thing is that boxing is also about hurting your opponent and again Pac is more "effective at that". Actually hurting people in my mind makes your offense more effective. Thats why I consider manny better. Not because his punches are pretty or his compubox stats are beautiful. It's because he ***'s people up!


And you are right how effective will pac be if he doesn't land, well how effective will Floyds defense be if he does't punch? That right there will be the key to the fight itself if it ever happens.

lol...

who has dominated JMM worse?

Pac fought him 3 times and still hasnt convincingly beat JMM which is why he wants to fight him again.

In 3 fights he nearly doubled floyds punch output but landed 100 less.....

also JMM outlanded Pac in the first 2 fights....

[slick23]

@red, yea, no, floyd is a slick counter puncher, and a fairly one-dimensional counter puncher which mosly utilizes only a right hand
this is not to mention that floyd more than not will shell up and just slip everything coming at him instead of countering as much as possible like marquez

also@ your second paragraph, no, playing the counter puncher doesn't equal being the offensive fighter

Thank you for knowing what the hell your talking about! I couldn't agree with you more. Hell I would argue from a technical standpoint that Marquez is a better counter puncher than Floyd. I am not saying Floyd cannot counter, , but I think people miss how sharp and precise Marquez is as a counter puncher and he tends to take more chances. Floyd is gonna try to pot shot you. With a guy like Manny I assume he would try to shoot a right hand down the middle, and back off. Unfortunately, he doesn't come back with the hook or uppercut which you better if you plan on keeping Manny off of you. Floyd eventually does open up more, which he is damn good at, when he gets more comfortable in the fight, but for the most part if he doesn't have a huge speed advantage on a guy he's going to take his time before he commits. the MarquezVMay fight was no shock at all. Mayweather looked enormous next to Marquez, and was able to control Marquez easily from a distance with his speed, but Pac is a totally different fighter. You mentioned Floyd missing some shots on Ortiz, which he did a bit more than people like to admit. Its a shame that fight didn't go further I believe it was just starting to get interesting.

[Carpe Diem]

It's amazing how people still don't understand styles make fights.

Against Pacquiao, Marquez can do what he does best - play the role of the counter puncher. Pacquiao will come in and attack and that's when Marquez unleashes his counter shots. He is the perfect style for Pacquiao.

Against Mayweather however, Marquez was forced to play the role of the aggressor and floyd played the role of the counter puncher, and that is not marquez' game. He's not nearly as effective walking forward, while floyd is the one setting traps.

This is some simple ass stuff right here you'd think "hardcore" boxing fans would understand right away but apparently not.

It also showed that Floyd is better ring general than him. In some rounds JMM did tried to be the counter-puncher when Floyd tried to be more aggressive and threw more punches, but he just couldn't successfully countered Floyd with multiple combos. He was limited to threw and countered Floyd with just one quick punch here and there, but not at a high pace that he would've wanted to. In some of those late rounds, Floyd threw more punches than JMM even though JMM ended up thrown more total punches by the end of the fight.