Floyd is a better offensive fighter than Manny! Pac-JMM & PBF-JMM fights prove it.

[Cash Cow]

It's not a personal problem it's what I favor! Just because I want action doesn't mean Im not a real boxing fan it just means I have a diffrent opinion than you. The only ignorent one here is you since you haven't yet figured out that diffrent people enjoy diffrent things.

Oh and it's Floyds antics and attitude that sells fights not his skills. Strip away the Money mayweather persona and what do you have? Andre Ward LOL!!!

Is action throwing a high volume?

What are you not getting?
Manny Pacquiao in 3 fights vs Juan Manuel Marquez wasnt able to land over 176 punches on JMM over the course of 7 years in 3 fights in 3 different weight classes. Floyd Mayweather on the other hand was able to land 290 punches on Juan Manuel Marquez in just one fight. This is over 100 more than Pac has ever landed on Marquez......lets look inside the #'s[/FONT]

the most Manny landed vs JMM in 3 fights was 176 punches and this was the 3rd fight....

Mayweather landed 290 punches on a JMM that was 2 years younger....

even the YOUNGER Pac from 2004 & 2008 was unable to land more punches than Marquez...
[B][I] 2004: Pacquiao-Marquez 1: In his first fight vs Juan Manuel Marquez, Manny Pacquiao threw 639 punches & landed 148 punches.

2008: Pacquiao-Marquez 2: In their 2nd fight Manny Pacquiao threw 619 punches & landed 157 punches.

whats so complicated about these NUMBERS? If Manny is a better offensive fighter then why does he have to throw alot of punches and still not nearly land as many as Manyweather?

in their first 2 fights....pac landed a total of 305 punches on pac...in 24 rounds...and he threw over 1000 punches in those 2 fights.

Mayweather landed 290 punches on JMM in 12 rounds

how in the hell is Pac a better offensive fighter when he has to work twice as hard to and risk taking punishment to land really 1 main punch which is his straight left.

[Cash Cow]

Thank you for knowing what the hell your talking about! I couldn't agree with you more. Hell I would argue from a technical standpoint that Marquez is a better counter puncher than Floyd. I am not saying Floyd cannot counter, , but I think people miss how sharp and precise Marquez is as a counter puncher and he tends to take more chances. Floyd is gonna try to pot shot you. With a guy like Manny I assume he would try to shoot a right hand down the middle, and back off. Unfortunately, he doesn't come back with the hook or uppercut which you better if you plan on keeping Manny off of you. Floyd eventually does open up more, which he is damn good at, when he gets more comfortable in the fight, but for the most part if he doesn't have a huge speed advantage on a guy he's going to take his time before he commits. the MarquezVMay fight was no shock at all. Mayweather looked enormous next to Marquez, and was able to control Marquez easily from a distance with his speed, but Pac is a totally different fighter. You mentioned Floyd missing some shots on Ortiz, which he did a bit more than people like to admit. Its a shame that fight didn't go further I believe it was just starting to get interesting.

JMM is a better counter puncher?

CompuBox PunchStat Report

Floyd Mayweather W 12 Juan Manuel Marquez
09/19/2009 LAS VEGAS

Total domination by Floyd who held Marquez to single digit connects in every round. Floyd distributed his attack, landing 59%of his power shots and 59% of his jabs. Floyd landed more jabs each round than Marquez did total punches. Floyd’s performance was reminiscent of Roy Jones’ domination of Reggie Johnson. Jones outlanded Johnson 276-48, but one can’t place Johnson in the same class as Marquez, and future Hall of Famer.

[thatnickuh]

Wrong not only does Manny punch harder manny lands more punches and he lands more damaging punches. If the point of boxing is to simply place the glove on the face accuratley then hooray Floyd is the greatest offensive fighter ever. Good thing is that boxing is also about hurting your opponent and again Pac is more "effective at that". Actually hurting people in my mind makes your offense more effective. Thats why I consider manny better. Not because his punches are pretty or his compubox stats are beautiful. It's because he ***'s people up!

Again, you're someone who's ignorant with little to no appreciation for the foundation of the sport. The art or science of the sport is to hit without geting hit. You want to criticize Mayweather because he excels at the "....without geting hit" part. That's why I don't put any weight in your opinion. You're an ignorant unappreciative "fan" and your argument here is juvenile.

And you are right how effective will pac be if he doesn't land, well how effective will Floyds defense be if he does't punch? That right there will be the key to the fight itself if it ever happens.

What? The point that I was making is that Pacquiao isn't all that diverse offensively and if he's in the ring with someone who can neutralize his limited offense then his power won't mean a whole lot. On the other hand, the completeness of Mayweather's game make it harder for his opponents to neutralize him offensively. Pacquiao is very predictable offensively while Mayweather is a lot more diverse and adaptable.

[Champ Is Here]

Floyd Mayweather on the other hand was able to land 290 punches on Juan Manuel Marquez in just one fight


WTF

[thatnickuh]

It's not just about power it's about overall effectiveness! Who is a better offensive fighter is not a complicated question so why do you need a sophisticated answer when the simplest one will do?

You're too simple, it's almost as if you're mentally slow.

[Cash Cow]

It's amazing how people still don't understand styles make fights.

Against Pacquiao, Marquez can do what he does best - play the role of the counter puncher. Pacquiao will come in and attack and that's when Marquez unleashes his counter shots. He is the perfect style for Pacquiao.

Against Mayweather however, Marquez was forced to play the role of the aggressor and floyd played the role of the counter puncher, and that is not marquez' game. He's not nearly as effective walking forward, while floyd is the one setting traps.

This is some simple ass stuff right here you'd think "hardcore" boxing fans would understand right away but apparently not.

So Mayweather landed 60% of his punches by being chased down by the smaller Marquez who was out of shape and flabby?

[Beater_of_ass]

lol...

who has dominated JMM worse?

Pac fought him 3 times and still hasnt convincingly beat JMM which is why he wants to fight him again.

In 3 fights he nearly doubled floyds punch output but landed 100 less.....

also JMM outlanded Pac in the first 2 fights....

Manny KO'd Hatton in 2 rounds it took Floyd 11, Oscar in 8 and actually fought Cotto/Margarito/Clottey. /end thread.

[Cash Cow]

Again, you're someone who's ignorant with little to no appreciation for the foundation of the sport. The art or science of the sport is to hit without geting hit. You want to criticize Mayweather because he excels at the "....without geting hit" part. That's why I don't put any weight in your opinion. You're an ignorant unappreciative "fan" and your argument here is juvenile.


What? The point that I was making is that Pacquiao isn't all that diverse offensively and if he's in the ring with someone who can neutralize his limited offense then his power won't mean a whole lot. On the other hand, the completeness of Mayweather's game make it harder for his opponents to neutralize him offensively. Pacquiao is very predictable offensively while Mayweather is a lot more diverse and adaptable.

he needs to be reminded of this...

a) Effective Aggression

The key to the first category is the word "effective." One may be going forward, trying to get at ones opponent, forcing them back, but not throwing punches, or missing badly. In order to be "effective" one must have success landing consistently while moving forward. It should be noted that the opponent, who is "out-boxing" or keeping the fight at a distance, can be the "effective aggressor" by initiating the punching exchanges.

b) Defense

A badly over-looked aspect of boxing, especially in scoring a fight. Defense is a part of combat. In boxing it is the ability to hit the opponent without being hit in return. Defense may include ducking, dodging, bobbing and weaving, parrying, blocking, slipping, and sidestepping, as well as effectively utilizing the clinch.

c) Ring Generalship

The person who dictates the tempo of the fight and controls the action in the ring is the ring general. The boxer who makes the other man fight his fight. If fighter A keeps the fight in ring center, and nullifies the "aggression" of fighter B he is the better ring general." Or if fighter B effectively cuts off the ring and forces fighter A to the ropes where he can go to work he then is the better ring general.

d) Clean and Hard Punching

This should be obvious, but it's not. Since many fans and sportswriters ignore the two previous categories they often fail to understand what is actually taking place in the ring. A "clean" blow is one that lands flush without being blocked by his opponent. But how many times has one heard an announcer "Oh what a left hook by so and so!" The problem is the punch landed on his opponent's glove and only made a loud noise and didn't score at all. Some blows are "partially blocked"; meaning it did not land with its full force. Such blows are not "clean" punches. Also it is not the amount of punches that are thrown the matters, but the amount of blows that land. Hard punching is important as the amount of damage a blow causes counts in the scoring. In the amateurs a knockdown is only as good as a jab, but in the pro's its worth much more. One hard right that staggers the opponent though is not worth ten hard jabs that snap back the opponent's head. Damaging blows and their value are difficult to assess and that is why boxing is subjective. However it should be noted that landing 3 or 4 punches that hurt an opponent in the last seconds of a round are not enough to make up for losing the first two and a half minutes of the round where he was out-boxed. After all the name of the game is boxing not slugging!

[Cash Cow]

Floyd Mayweather on the other hand was able to land 290 punches on Juan Manuel Marquez in just one fight


WTF

Pac in 3 fights has never landed more than 176 punches on Pac and this was after 7 years and 2 previous fights..

Mayweather landed 290 after a 16 month layoff

[pistol whip]

Is action throwing a high volume?

What are you not getting?
Manny Pacquiao in 3 fights vs Juan Manuel Marquez wasnt able to land over 176 punches on JMM over the course of 7 years in 3 fights in 3 different weight classes. Floyd Mayweather on the other hand was able to land 290 punches on Juan Manuel Marquez in just one fight. This is over 100 more than Pac has ever landed on Marquez......lets look inside the #'s[/FONT]

the most Manny landed vs JMM in 3 fights was 176 punches and this was the 3rd fight....

Mayweather landed 290 punches on a JMM that was 2 years younger....

even the YOUNGER Pac from 2004 & 2008 was unable to land more punches than Marquez...
[B][I] 2004: Pacquiao-Marquez 1: In his first fight vs Juan Manuel Marquez, Manny Pacquiao threw 639 punches & landed 148 punches.

2008: Pacquiao-Marquez 2: In their 2nd fight Manny Pacquiao threw 619 punches & landed 157 punches.

whats so complicated about these NUMBERS? If Manny is a better offensive fighter then why does he have to throw alot of punches and still not nearly land as many as Manyweather?

in their first 2 fights....pac landed a total of 305 punches on pac...in 24 rounds...and he threw over 1000 punches in those 2 fights.

Mayweather landed 290 punches on JMM in 12 rounds

how in the hell is Pac a better offensive fighter when he has to work twice as hard to and risk taking punishment to land really 1 main punch which is his straight left.

Ugh because Floyd a full fledged welter was fighting a lightweight counterpuncher who had to lead the whole fight. You do understand the saying styles make fights? But i tell you what why don't you post the compubox stats for Oscar vs pac and compare those stats to Floyd vs Oscar?

I don't have any idea what the compubox stats actually are but I doubt they will work in your favor.

Also after landing 290 punches on Marquez he didn't even look like he had been in a fight. Just saying