Is Pacquiao, Arum, Roach, and Team Pac ducking Mayweather???

[mikemurni]

Yes Pac beat Oscar easily but you have to recognize that Oscar was 35 and coming down to a weight he hadn't fought at in seven years. Floyd had to go up to Oscar's weight and let Oscar pick the glove and the ring size and still beat him more convincingly than Manny beat Marquez and Manny fought Marquez three times and at three different weights.

Triangle theories don't work and I'll agree with you there but as the saying goes "styles make fights." Saturday proved what many people have been saying here for years: Manny still can't fight counter punchers. If Marquez's counter punching gave Manny problems Mayweather's counter punching will be an absolute nightmare.

Ugh.. This again.. Oscar was coming from a long retirement when Floyd fought him. JMM was not forced to adjust his training camp because of "Floyd's" injury, not to mention that he had a clear size advantage due to the fact that Marquez trained to be 144, while Floyd trained to be 147 (or 146)..

JMM was not just counter punching he was also pressing his attack in spurts. Floyd didnt do that.. He could probably do that to guys like Hatton and Ortiz, but not against Pac simply because those two are straight out brawlers.. Besides JMM himself did not clearly beat Pac in 3 fights despite what most people here thinks... ANd his style is suppose to be Pac's biggest weakness...

[gmc_rfc_06]

Bob Arum is avoiding the Mayweather fight at all costs.

I don't think Pac is ducking the fight, but his team and promoter are. He doesn't want to put Pacquiao in there with Mayweather until he's made every possible penny first.

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Floyd is fighting a fighter whose only way to beat him is to actually discourage him from moving and attacking forward. Floyd is not goin to do that with one punch at the time, and at a measured pace. Floyd needs to actually exchange with Pac while making him miss to actually do that. JMM did that, not to mention that he is already familiar with Pac style, having fought 24 rounds with him already...

There's nothing that Manny Pacquiao has displayed that will make Floyd Mayweather fight any differently than he's fought to date. It's fine as a Pac fan to delude yourself into thinking Floyd needs to fight like some sort of a moron, from what I can tell. Floyd's fought all styles, all types of power and he's picked every single one of his opponents apart and made it look easy in the process.

Saying that Floyd is gonna win based on just him being a boxer, and that he handidly gave it to JMM dont know what they are talkin about.

Dude, you must not watch very much boxing based on an answer as flimsy as this. I say that Floyd is going to win because he's the better fighter, boxer, or pugilist if you will than Manny Pacquiao, he's demonstrated he matchless skill time and again, with all types of fighters. Floyd isn't just a boxer he's probably the finest boxer to ever lace up a pair of gloves.

Again, as a "fan" you can tell yourself whatever you want, but this is precisely why there was so much clamor around the fight this last weekend. Alot of delusional Pacquiao fans (that don't know boxing whatsoever) assumed their Lord and Savior was just going to burrow through a bloated, old fighter in Marquez.

This is called blind belief and when such a limited mentality meets reality, you get pages upon pages of excuses about foot cramps, Marquez stepping on feet, or whatever Pacquiao's mindless acolytes can spin out of whole cloth.

First of all triangle theories does not apply in boxing. JMM was not effective against Floyd because he was forced to lead, which is far from his comfort zone. This is different with Pac...

JMM would have lost to Floyd regardless of what he would have done because Floyd outthinks all of his opponents. I'm sure JMM and Nacho looked at all of Floyd's fights and came up with a game plan to beat him, obviously their plan didn't work, as Floyd makes instantaneous adjustments against his opponents.

Styles makes fights... And if you cant figure that out then just watch how Pac easily beat Oscar, Hatton compared to Floyd... And it has nothing to do with how they were perceived to be "weak", "shot" like what most idiots here think..

Pacquiao beat fighters that were shadows of their former selves; it didn't have much to do with styles. Bob Arum has carefully matched Manny with fighters that are on the decline, that's a fact only someone in love with Manny Pacquiao would ignore and try to get others to ignore. Pacquiao fights shot fighters that pose little risk, their major miscalculation was that JMM had more in the gas tank than they thought he would, which is why we're headed for a fourth fight.

Pac will always have better results against this two compared to Floyd irregardless of the situation they were when they fought them...The same that you can say that Floyd can have better results against JMM compared to Pac...

My advice, love BOXING more and Manny Pacquiao less.

[Boxingtech718v2]

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and acts like a duck.............

[tatangb45]

Anyone who thinks that Pac and Arum do not want to face Floyd should watch this objective analysis on why a rematch with Marquez is more likely to happen instead of an immediate fight with Floyd. Remember as well, that first and foremost, boxing is business.

http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/box/27241073;_ylt=AnU1Z8uAgcMmM85C37nvBUqUxLYF

[Boxingtech718v2]

Anyone who thinks that Pac and Arum do not want to face Floyd should watch this objective analysis on why a rematch with Marquez is more likely to happen instead of an immediate fight with Floyd. Remember as well, that first and foremost, boxing is business.

http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player...5C37nvBUqUxLYF

Oh so now boxing is a business. This coming from pac fans lol!

[mikemurni]

There's nothing that Manny Pacquiao has displayed that will make Floyd Mayweather fight any differently than he's fought to date. It's fine as a Pac fan to delude yourself into thinking Floyd needs to fight like some sort of a moron, from what I can tell. Floyd's fought all styles, all types of power and he's picked every single one of his opponents apart and made it look easy in the process.

Dude, you must not watch very much boxing based on an answer as flimsy as this. I say that Floyd is going to win because he's the better fighter, boxer, or pugilist if you will than Manny Pacquiao, he's demonstrated he matchless skill time and again, with all types of fighters. Floyd isn't just a boxer he's probably the finest boxer to ever lace up a pair of gloves.
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There really nothing in that statement other than you praising Floyd's skills while downgrading Pac.. How is he gonna beat Manny?? Because he is a better boxer.. lol..JMM is a better boxer and he still cannot beat Pac clearly.. Floyd has fought all styles.. Really.. Has he fought the style of a guy who actually moves and brawls at the same time. Not to mention who is quick and has a solid chin.. Pac got outboxed with JMM taking a lot of risk, and he still couldnt beat him convincingly..

Again, as a "fan" you can tell yourself whatever you want, but this is precisely why there was so much clamor around the fight this last weekend. Alot of delusional Pacquiao fans (that don't know boxing whatsoever) assumed their Lord and Savior was just going to burrow through a bloated, old fighter in Marquez.

This is called blind belief and when such a limited mentality meets reality, you get pages upon pages of excuses about foot cramps, Marquez stepping on feet, or whatever Pacquiao's mindless acolytes can spin out of whole cloth.
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What does that have to do with my post.. All you did was just insults some *******s.. Tell me where in my post did I even mentioned any excuses...

JMM would have lost to Floyd regardless of what he would have done because Floyd outthinks all of his opponents. I'm sure JMM and Nacho looked at all of Floyd's fights and came up with a game plan to beat him, obviously their plan didn't work, as Floyd makes instantaneous adjustments against his opponents.
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Sure.. But that doesnt changed the fact then when Pac fought him, he fought him straight up.. Meaning he didnt cheat in the scales, he didnt fake an injury.. You said that Floyd's victory was better than Pac..JMM was actually more acustomed to the weight, in better conditioned when he fought Pac.. And I am sayin' this based on the fact that Pac fought all 3 versions of JMM.. JMM in his prime, JMM at his best weight (130, he was having weight problems at 126), and who is accustomed to the weight...Floyd didnt fight JMM in any of those 3 versions...

Pacquiao beat fighters that were shadows of their former selves; it didn't have much to do with styles. Bob Arum has carefully matched Manny with fighters that are on the decline, that's a fact only someone in love with Manny Pacquiao would ignore and try to get others to ignore. Pacquiao fights shot fighters that pose little risk, their major miscalculation was that JMM had more in the gas tank than they thought he would, which is why we're headed for a fourth fight.



My advice, love BOXING more and Manny Pacquiao less.

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You see I am a firm believer that what was perceived before the fight is what reallly matters. Anything else are just excuses.

JMM-Pac I and II, Morales I was a 50/50 fight going in. Cotto and Hatton were the same with a slight advantage on Pac (2 to 1 odds).. Barrera I, Morales II, Dela Hoya, Ledwaba fights showed Pac as a huge underdog.. Its not match making if the fighters are actually dead even in odds going in. And its even more pathetic to say that if Pac was the huge underdog. What you are doing is actually whining and excuses...Thats why I gave May full credit in his fight with Mosley.. Anything else that he has done recently well.. meh...

[keehlnate]

Not only Pacquiao but Mayweather as well. They are ducking each other.

[tatangb45]

Oh so now boxing is a business. This coming from pac fans lol!

Here, read another objective take on the fight:

http://michaeldsellers.com/blog/2011/11/13/dear-juan-manuel-marquez/

[Boxingtech718v2]

Here, read another objective take on the fight:

http://michaeldsellers.com/blog/2011...anuel-marquez/

LOL this guy is nobody if you wan't I can find 10x the amount of blogs and Youtube videos of people who say that JMM won that fight.
A whole arena of pac and JMM fans booed the robbery that occured. Our british fans that don't have a dog in the fight. Who are totally objective scored the fight for JMM. Even pac's own stablemate gave the fight to JMM. What does that say, JMM deserved the decision.