Is Pacquiao, Arum, Roach, and Team Pac ducking Mayweather???

[IMDAZED]

Joshua Clottey hit him best because Pac actually tried to initiate a fight out of him because the fight was turning in to a dud (and it did). He didnt have to do that because he was winning anyway..



Dude, that was in mid to late 1990's.. He is getting hit by a much heavier handed fighters now, and nobody has come close to actually knocking him down. Not even when he was gushing blood in his first fight with Morales..

Really now since when did Marquez beat him 3 times. Because as far as I recall Pac is 2-0-1 against Marquez. Even those who thinks that JMM got robbed in the 3rd fight saw it as 7-5 for Marquez, with 6-6 being acceptable.. The first 2 fights was fairly even fight.





Yes it does makes sense because Pac actually honored his contract with Marquez by fighting him at the agreed upon date, and the agreed upon weight. Not to mention Marquez was able to hire a better coach to carefully monitor his conditioning. He didnt have that when he fought Floyd..

I dont need to justify his opponents, because their credentials speak for themselves. Margarito, Mosley, and Cotto were the top WW when Pac came in and made WW his division. And he fought them and beat them.. You can say that Pac had them in their downhill career but at least he still fought them. Floyd never even tried (except for Mosley)..




You know what I mean. When the fight is perceived to be competitive before the fight takes place, then thats when you know that the winner should get full credit. And when he is an underdog before the fight, then he should deserve even more..




How can I make excuses when Pac has been winning. What excuses should I make for Pac winning. He has been undefeated since 2004..Its more like those who doesnt like Pac are the ones making excuses for his opponents.


Pac fought Marquez, Dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto succesively (with Diaz squeezed in the middle). All those 4 fights were 50/50, or Pac the underdog.. And you still have to forget the fights he had with Barrera, Morales, Marquez in the lower weights..

If you want to complain about his last 4 opponents then feel free to do so. But Pac had more competitive fights in the last 6 years compared to May..

Really who was the last fighter (other than Mosley) that Floyd fought were people thought that the fight was either 50/50, or that the he was the slight favorite BEFORE he fought them.. Nada..none..

These muthaphukkas are working some serious overtime right now

[Pactar∂]

You changed your sig pic to pacquiao landing a jab? lmao Where are the 169 other punches manny landed? Surely this is not the best punch he landed is it?

Eh? This is actually my initial sig pic, which I haven't changed (yet). If you aren't paying attention that's your problem. Poor trolling attempt. Next!

[Barry Halls]

i think historically, the both camps are about equal to blame.

Right now, it does not look good. Pac and his team is coming off really bad, so right now it looks like a duck.

[Pretty Boy32]

Eh? This is actually my initial sig pic, which I haven't changed (yet). If you aren't paying attention that's your problem. Poor trolling attempt. Next!

LOL! You mad?

[Mr. Invincible]

Yes

But who could blame them? Mayweather might be able to toy with Manny the day he faced Marquez. Lets also not forget that styles make fights and just because Manny struggled vs. Marquez doesn't mean he will vs Mayweather.

[Casper101]

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Two years ago it was this way against Floyd...
A year ago it was 50/50
Now its pac's turn

[NEETzsche]

it has always been pacquiao and arum who've been the ones actively avoiding the fight. floyd didn't exactly break his back to make it -- i'm sure that as long as he can make $20m fighting the likes of ortiz he won't be too anxious to get it made -- but he has definitely been more receptive than pacquiao.

[Cash Cow]

i think historically, the both camps are about equal to blame.

Right now, it does not look good. Pac and his team is coming off really bad, so right now it looks like a duck.

NO

[Slip Stream]

Joshua Clottey hit him best because Pac actually tried to initiate a fight out of him because the fight was turning in to a dud (and it did). He didnt have to do that because he was winning anyway..

Bro, it was a dud because Clottey wasn't throwing very many punches, but the punches he was throwing were catching Manny squarely to the head. A fight that Pacquiao managed to miss over a thousand punches versus a stationary target. It was pathetic performances from both fighters yet the delusional Pacquiao fan somehow sees the fight differently.

Dude, that was in mid to late 1990's.. He is getting hit by a much heavier handed fighters now, and nobody has come close to actually knocking him down. Not even when he was gushing blood in his first fight with Morales..

It doesn't matter when it was, he was knocked out just the same, it's all part of his career and the record. Pac fans mention the date as if somehow Pacquiao managed to grow a new head, complete with a new chin. He hasn't. So, the fact still remains he was knocked out twice.

Really now since when did Marquez beat him 3 times. Because as far as I recall Pac is 2-0-1 against Marquez. Even those who thinks that JMM got robbed in the 3rd fight saw it as 7-5 for Marquez, with 6-6 being acceptable.. The first 2 fights was fairly even fight.

Your version of the facts are disputed by a large portion of the boxing community, but tell yourself whatever you need to to get by.

Yes it does makes sense because Pac actually honored his contract with Marquez by fighting him at the agreed upon date, and the agreed upon weight. Not to mention Marquez was able to hire a better coach to carefully monitor his conditioning. He didnt have that when he fought Floyd..

If you're trying to argue that the Marquez that Floyd fought at 36 is not as good as the fighter that fought Manny at 38 (after taking more punishment) you are entertaining some rather bizarre logic.

I dont need to justify his opponents, because their credentials speak for themselves. Margarito, Mosley, and Cotto were the top WW when Pac came in and made WW his division. And he fought them and beat them.. You can say that Pac had them in their downhill career but at least he still fought them. Floyd never even tried (except for Mosley)..

Not one of the fighters you just named is in the same reality as Floyd is skill wise. And again, sorry about this, but reality must again intrude on your rather rich fantasy life. When Pac fought Margarito he was just fresh off of the ass whippin' of a lifetime, when he fought Mosley, Mosley was in steep decline as his fight before Pac clearly indicated, and Cotto was beaten senseless by a guy who was probably wearing two plaster casts in his gloves. When a logical mind puts all that together what you get are three fights, with three opponents who have seen better days. The Pac fan always tries to twist reality backwards by making these fighters a threat after they've been thoroughly dispatched before Pac fought them, that's an incontrovertible fact.

You know what I mean. When the fight is perceived to be competitive before the fight takes place, then thats when you know that the winner should get full credit. And when he is an underdog before the fight, then he should deserve even more..

Sure, sure, I get what you're saying now. And by using that logic, Manny looks terrible today because he wasn't able to achieve what many of his fans perceived about how the fight was going to go. Had Manny actually did what some in his camp and his fans were claiming he was going to do all the boxing forums would have been full to the brim with Pacoholics crowing about how easily he would do it to Mayweather. But now that the veil of Bob Arum's illusions have been lifted "the hype" surrounding Pacquiao has taken a major hit.

How can I make excuses when Pac has been winning. What excuses should I make for Pac winning. He has been undefeated since 2004..Its more like those who doesnt like Pac are the ones making excuses for his opponents.

Yes, Pac has been "winning," but against old, beaten, and washed up fighters. While Floyd has never been defeated or knocked out in the ring, yet the highest praise he will ever get from a Pacquiao fanatic is that he's "afraid."

Pac fought Marquez, Dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto succesively (with Diaz squeezed in the middle). All those 4 fights were 50/50, or Pac the underdog.. And you still have to include the fights he had with Barrera, Morales, Marquez in the lower weights..

Fortunately for me I never had Pac 50/50 against that motley crew. I knew, like many, sane and rational boxing fans that those fights were a joke, why? Because Bob Arum is a liar and a manipulator who would never put Manny in the ring with someone that was truly a threat, those odds makers don't know jack.

If you want to complain about his last 4 opponents then feel free to do so. But Pac had more competitive fights in the last 6 years compared to May..

Manny's been in competitive fights because the people he fought were on his level in terms of expertise. The fact that Mayweather hasn't had a tough fight is the result of a relentless work ethic and superb boxing skills in the ring. It isn't his fault that he doesn't get ripped with hard shots like Manny.

Really who was the last fighter (other than Mosley and Hatton) that Floyd fought were people thought that the fight was either 50/50, or that the he was the slight favorite BEFORE he fought them.. Nada..none..

This is why Floyd Mayweather is the best period, because any fighter stacked next to Floyd is light work.

[Barry Halls]

NO

what do you disagree with?