Floyd vs Ortiz, what really happened

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

That is nonsense. Floyd accepted Ortiz's apology, touched gloves and embraced him. The took a step back, Ortiz had his hands down, and got clocked with a left. Floyd waited another second, and rather than protect himself, Ortiz was looking at the ref with his hands down. Floyd nailed him again and dropped him.

Its Ortiz's bad. And to compare that to tyson, who 1) did something illegal (floyd did not) and 2) BIT his opponent (when Floyd punched him) goes to show you may have some bias in your "unbiased opinion"

on top of that...Floyd didn't hit him coming on the way in...that would have been classless. Floyd hit him after they touched gloves and after the fight was officially back on (Cortez yelled "fight" clear as day)

Listen, you can play lawyer all day but it was a cheap shot. Should Ortiz defended himself? Yes I agree with you 100% I'm not saying Ortiz is a victim and as a matter of fact the kid really didn't think.

But the fact of the matter was it was cheap. I have so much problem with it because of the way Floyd gave an acting job as to accept his apology. When a guy goes to hug you in boxing as if to accept or to apologize, you don't expect to get hit.

Even if Ortiz is a chump and what Floyd did was legal, I can't call it a win for Floyd when he hit a man when he wasn't looking, sorry I just can't. Getting hit when your not looking can knock anyone out, that's why it's called a sucker punch.

Both were wrong but like the old saying says, two wrongs don't make a right.

[The Big Dunn]

There are unwritten rules in boxing and all sports. I could easily hit a guy when he's going to touch gloves with me at the beginning of the fight but that wouldn't be looked on as really cool.

What Floyd did was technically legal but was one of the cheapest, low life things I have ever seen in boxing. It's up there with Mike Tyson biting Evander's ear IMO.

Ortiz should defend himself at all times but when a guy extends his hands as if to accept your apology, your not expecting to get hit.

For you to equate illegal headbutt and an ear bite with floyd's punches is simply disgraceful. No matter how poor taste or sportsmanship you feel floyd displayed, vic was far worse, He intentionally headbutted an opponent. That floyd only got minimmally hurt is lucky.

Fight felt scripted and i wanted more for all the gwap I spent. But come on man.

[L. Cipher]

Mayweather has done it against Arturo Gatti as well. One would think that the best fighter in the world shouldn't have to resort to sucker punches.

One would think boxers who have championship belts and plenty of experience would know to put their guard up and protect themselves when the referee resumes a fight after a foul (in ortiz's case) or not look away from the fight to complain to the ref without the ref ever stopping the action (gatti's case). You take your eyes off your opponent your gonna get smoked out every time and deservedly so.

I'm sick of fighters wasting the fans time by overdoing their hands shakes, hugs etc. They had touched gloves twice already and Cortez resumed the fight why is Ortiz still apologizing and trying to hug Floyd anyway, this isn't sparring, it's time to fight not hug, especially after perpetrating an obvious intentional foul on your opponent. How did Vic not see that coming Floyd practically had smoke coming out of his ears after the headbutt he shoulda known what time it was...

[Easy-E]

Yep. Green K.

Like I said in another thread:

Floyd was performing surgery on Victor and probably could have had him out of there by the tenth or sooner.

Floyd was on the way to silencing 99.8% of his critics with little to no questions asked.

But then that happened. And probably ruined his performance for a lot of people.

I know we're not going to get honest answers, but people should ask themselves how they would feel if Vic was the one that took advantage of that situation?



In that same situation, Floyd was also open to being hit with a combo (left uppercut, right hook to the body).

If Vic did that, even after the headbutt, point deduction, and came out w/ the result of KO'ing Floyd and taken his "0", would the same people label Vic's actions as fair and not cheap?

Fair is fair or a cheap shot is a cheap shot, regardless of who did it.

to be honest I don't think its even fair to imagine if the roles were reversed and that happened to Floyd because Floyd would never put his hands down and not protect himself when the fight was going on.

[MindBat]

There are unwritten rules in boxing and all sports. I could easily hit a guy when he's going to touch gloves with me at the beginning of the fight but that wouldn't be looked on as really cool.

What Floyd did was technically legal but was one of the cheapest, low life things I have ever seen in boxing. It's up there with Mike Tyson biting Evander's ear IMO.

Ortiz should defend himself at all times but when a guy extends his hands as if to accept your apology, your not expecting to get hit.

Did you watch this yet?



Apparently, Team Ortiz's main plan was to "Blatantly use your head every chance you get".

Cortez didn't do his job of disqualifying Ortiz after that last blatant headbutt.

[SuperVillain]

Second was the sucker punch that Floyd hit Ortiz with. Legal technically but it was clearly a cheap shot that ended what could have been an entertaining fight.

whatever you say, billy basement-trainer.

Third was Joe Cortez job of the fight. He should have ushered the fighters to a neutral corner, then started the clock and then initiated the fight once again. Instead he allowed the fighters to wander in the middle of the ring and let Floyd sucker punch Ortiz.

go watch the video again. he quite clearly has them in opposite corners and then gestures time-in 4 seconds before floyd landed that left.

whether he bungled his communication with timekeeper or not is neither here nor there. after the time-in gesture, both guys were entitled to punch until further instruction to the contrary (which never came) - nothing cheap about it.


take as many as you need,

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

For you to equate illegal headbutt and an ear bite with floyd's punches is simply disgraceful. No matter how poor taste or sportsmanship you feel floyd displayed, vic was far worse, He intentionally headbutted an opponent. That floyd only got minimmally hurt is lucky.

Fight felt scripted and i wanted more for all the gwap I spent. But come on man.

Its not because of the result. Look, I'm not defending Ortiz, he hit him with an ILLEGAL headbutt. Cortez deducted him and dished out the penalty for it.

Floyd did something that was technically legal but the way I equate it to the Tyson bite was in the result. It ended the fight, he KO'd an unprotected man.

When I saw that was the same way I feel when I see videos of street fights in which a guy is hit when he's not looking or attacked when he can't defend himself.

It truly was a cheap and disgusting act on the part of Floyd. He has no need to do that, he's the best fighter in the world.

[Kagami Taiga]

i dont get how anyone can sit here and feel sorry for ortiz and say that floyd shouldnt have done what he did to him. he deserved it. i dont care what none of u self righteous *******s say, if it was u who was intentionally headbutted, u would have retaliated.

what i do blame him for is adding to the ruination of a fight that fans paid a good deal of money for. he should have been the bigger man. with that said, if ortiz had not been knocked out, none of you would be sitting here complaining about that ****. in fact, if it wasnt floyd who had did it, and if it had been to him, there would be no issue. if u didnt order the fight or pay in any way for it, u shouldnt be complaining.

[Easy-E]

Listen, you can play lawyer all day but it was a cheap shot. Should Ortiz defended himself? Yes I agree with you 100% I'm not saying Ortiz is a victim and as a matter of fact the kid really didn't think.

But the fact of the matter was it was cheap. I have so much problem with it because of the way Floyd gave an acting job as to accept his apology. When a guy goes to hug you in boxing as if to accept or to apologize, you don't expect to get hit.

Even if Ortiz is a chump and what Floyd did was legal, I can't call it a win for Floyd when he hit a man when he wasn't looking, sorry I just can't. Getting hit when your not looking can knock anyone out, that's why it's called a sucker punch.

Both were wrong but like the old saying says, two wrongs don't make a right.

it's not like he ****** punched him on the street, dude. It was a boxing match. what do you expect is going to happen? As far as Im concerned, getting hit with a legal blow inside the boxing ring is not a cheap shot. And let's not forget your comparison to Tyson vs Holyfield, which pretty much displays that your opinion is not a valid one on the subject.

[-Johannes-]

This is a sport where being friendly should be the last thing on your mind. Ortiz had already hugged and kiss Mayweather. Mayweather did him dirty but so did Ortiz the difference is that Mayweather did it within the legal boundaries and Ortiz didn't. It was indeed dirty and I didn't like it because Mayweather was on his way on winning the fight clearly and in my opinion he was going to stop Ortiz late.