Winner of Ward/Froch better than Calzaghe's career or no?

[daggum]

dude. calzaghie was missing & throwing slaps. most of calzaghies shots hit elbows & arms. (in other words they were blocked) & many times calzaghie would come forward but throw nothing because he was afraid of being countered. many of the rounds that were scored for calzaghie was due to crowd interference. the crowd would ROAR for a blocked glancing slap & the judges would count it as some kind of power punch. (the crowd would scream loud for ANYTHING calzaghie did even when he started clowning around) hopkins had everything against him......calzaghie even said that he was beat up bruised & made to look silly. calzaghie was outboxed. hurt, & disrupted by a old hopkins in that fight......

thats not a win. it's called getting a GIFT.

& when you run from a rematch it makes it all the worse........(BTW hopkins was MUCH older then calzaghie begging calzghie for the rematch. not the other way around)

i forgot the 5th scoring criteria in boxing-crowd noise! calzaghe was clearly winning that category. what a hometown advantage hopkins had, another laugh.

"well if the crowd thinks calzaghe is landing he must be landing right? round to calzaghe!"-ted gimza

"he really made the crowd roar in that round. i didn't even see him land anything but round to calzaghe!"-chuck giampa

[dan_cov]

Nothing to add really that hasn't been said already. Joe Calslappy may of defended 20 odd times & retired undefeated but that is only because he ducked just about everybody or at least until they was 40+
20 odd defences - About 6 was ridiculously premature stoppages. They was all tomato cans or old men with the exception of Kessler, his best win.

IMO Hopkins beat him & Robin Reid beat him to a pulp but of course Francis Warren clearly paid the judges off.


Because of Froch losing a close decision in a war against Kessler, Calslappy fans will hold onto it for dear life no matter who Froch defeats but being unbiased, Froch probably already has a better resume & if he pulls out a win against Ward, his C.V certainly pisses all over Joes.

Joseph Cowardzaghe = Ducked Froch, Johnson multiple times, B-Hop & Jones until they was 40+
Pavlik, etc, etc


Glen Johnson vs Joe Calzaghe = The road warrior vs Road runner!

[iPhoneKiller]

I enjoy Calzaghe because when I watch him closely, he does have flaws, but he also does some things pretty well in the ring that allows him to box the way he does.

I believe resume wise, they both are pretty much above him, but in terms of head to head, Calzaghe wins.

Ward had flaws VS Abraham, and tbh he needs a bit more power. I can see Froch's range and strength cause problems, but after 1 fight form all super 6 guys, I made a bet on here that Ward would straight out win the tournament.

Froch is a lvie underdog to win, I mean Ward makes mistakes when under pressure, and Froch now has improved a hell of a lot.

I personally feel Dirrell has the best gift of all of them, apart from mentality, which is also a very big thing in boxing.

[Barry Halls]

Joseph Cowardzaghe = Ducked Froch, Johnson multiple times, B-Hop & Jones until they was 40+
Pavlik, etc, etc

how did calzaghe duck hopkins?
Pavlik? lol.
Froch? By the time calzaghe left 168, froch best win was Sergey Tatevosyan more or less.

I think you're messing around right now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/3030004.stm

But yeah, calzaghe was the one ducking.

[daggum]

I enjoy Calzaghe because when I watch him closely, he does have flaws, but he also does some things pretty well in the ring that allows him to box the way he does.

I believe resume wise, they both are pretty much above him, but in terms of head to head, Calzaghe wins.

Ward had flaws VS Abraham, and tbh he needs a bit more power. I can see Froch's range and strength cause problems, but after 1 fight form all super 6 guys, I made a bet on here that Ward would straight out win the tournament.

Froch is a lvie underdog to win, I mean Ward makes mistakes when under pressure, and Froch now has improved a hell of a lot.

I personally feel Dirrell has the best gift of all of them, apart from mentality, which is also a very big thing in boxing.

i don't see any flaws.

[iPhoneKiller]

i don't see any flaws.

My dear Daggum, you must be BigpoppaPump, or somehow you get an E-mail when Calzaghe is mentioned and wake up to post.

I do love you.

[daggum]

how did calzaghe duck hopkins?
Pavlik? lol.

I think you're messing around right now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/3030004.stm

But yeah, calzaghe was the one ducking.

you are messing around by believing promoter hype. calzaghe wanted no part of hopkins or any other challenge until lacy. his own promoter confirms that and so does joe with his flimsy resume.

warren under sworn testimony said the hopkins-calzaghe fight was going to take place in wales not the usa and hopkins was getting zero percent of the ppv/gate which he estimated to be over 5 million. how is that ducking? why would the number 1 p4p fighter go to someone else's country and get less than the unknown guy he was fighting? if mayweather turns down an offer to fight jan zaveck in slovenia for less money than jan is getting he's ducking according to you? learn how promoting works. they knew the fight would never come off and used hopkins name to promote themselves and land more easy fights on showtime.

and yes he ducked pavlik and dawson and instead fought shot jones jr. what a way to end your career lol.

[daggum]

My dear Daggum, you must be BigpoppaPump, or somehow you get an E-mail when Calzaghe is mentioned and wake up to post.

I do love you.

no i am jeff lacy. i want my rematch with calzaghe. the guy lands a couple thousand lucky punches against me and thinks it's settled? i don't think so.

[JAB5239]

I don't think Froch beats Ward, but if he does he has certainly beaten a much higher caliber of fighters in 3 years than Calzaghe did his entire time at 168. As far as Calzaghe's title defenses.....I don't put much stock in paper titles that allow a fighter to defend against weak comp the vast majority of his reign.

If Ward wins he still has a little bit more before surpassing Calzaghe. But he's still young and on a far faster track of credible opponents than Calzaghe was fighting for his first 9 years as a titlist. If Andre goes on to beat Froch and then Bute, I think he has easy sailing for the rest of his time at 168 and becomes the divisions all time greatest fighter.

Head to head though, I don't think ANY of them are comparable to a prime Roy Jones. Unfortunately his resume also falls short at 168 in spite of his incredible talent.

[IronDanHamza]

how did calzaghe duck hopkins?
Pavlik? lol.
Froch? By the time calzaghe left 168, froch best win was Sergey Tatevosyan more or less.

I think you're messing around right now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/3030004.stm

But yeah, calzaghe was the one ducking.

Carl Froch would have given his left arm to fight Joe Calzaghe. He wanted that fight, desperately.

I don't really blame Joe for not taking the fight because at the time Froch was nothing. Nothing at all. Not even in the UK.