Comments Thread For: Ellerbe: Pacquiao's Rise Helped By Mayweather's Layoff

[don miguel]

honest answer? its no secret Floyd has problems with his hands, shoulders and back. his long lay offs are mostly influenced by the right healing process.

many consider these "vacations" ducking, Floyd's just a real smart guy.

How did you know that?

Are you Floyd's girlfriend??

[hitking]

no need to catch feelings my dude. You made a statement, I made one to counter it and provided documented proof to back it up. Just pointing out the fact that a lot of people thought a win over Erik Morales>a win over Carlos Baldomir.

Fact is, Floyd has fought a few times since Pac officially became the #1 guy and it hasn't changed any rankings (except maybe Iole's for a couple of days )

Does Pacquaio ever reach #1 P4P status is Mayweather doesn't take basically two years off. I mean, when Money retired, Pac was coming off in a lot of people's mind's a loss to JMM. When Money officially stepped down, the debate was whether Pac, JMM, or Calzage was the new #1. Even Pavlik was getting some buzz until he ran into B-Hop. And as I've previously stated, Pac got his DLH opportunity because Mayweather stepped back.

[Megamasterking]

Pacquiao has rise, also, he's the #1 PFP while Mayweather was kicked out of it. Ellerbe is scared and wants to keep his head in the sand.

I don't think that Ellerbe will bring back Mayweather in the pound for pound by talking ****. Right now, Mayweather's career is not what it should be and Ellerbe's fear are just the tip of the iceberg.

[don miguel]

This, naturally, will incite plenty of ignorance, but I'm not sure why. It's true.

Floyd retiring when he did, leaving the DLH rematch and rumored Hatton rematch on the table, allowed Pacquiao to fight those guys. Manny went on and dominated, thus propelling his rise to superstardom and adding to his legend. Then he fought Cotto, a guy many wanted to see Floyd fight.

Yes, Floyd leaving boxing when he did is what opened the door for Manny.

I agree with all of your staments...

[Cash Cow]

Poor Ellerbe who got stuck with a coward named Duckweather.

It must suck being associated with the World's Number 1 Coward in the world. Go hide behind Golden Boy Promotions also I won't be surprised if Duckweather won via Split Decision since I'm sure they already bought out the judges and referee.

[tangalog2200]

Its unfair to Mayweather in a the sense that he never recieves credit for beating anyone. But its very fair to him in the sense that he created this guy they love to hate persona and has made a lot of money because of it.

i am not in any way referring to the money..

the real point is that people seem to "hate" floyd bcoz of his "antics" and "ooops" outside the ring..

but boxing fans who can separate the floyd in the ring, from the one outside, could easily see he is one of the bests...inside the ring...

and on fight nights, floyd is a big draw, and as you stated, he never receives credit for beating anyone. But i don't subscribe people come just to watch to see floyd lose...

they want to see floyd and the hope guy go at it with their boxing skills and all..

same is true for any exciting boxing match-ups..

people love competitive fights..

people love competitive fighters, as well as technical fighters; though on the surface, they may appear to hate them..

people, applauding both victor and loser in a very entertaining, exciting and well fought bout attest to the above..

[bMak]

Rubbish, Cotto was damaged goods. He was badly faded, it was obvious that he had slipped as he had looked very shop-worn in the last three fights. Plus, he had no trainer and was disadvantaged on the scales. He was a cracked egg.

When is the last time Pac fought an opponent who was right on top of his game?

Cotto is Mannys best win since the controversial Marquez victory.

Which is exactly what I said, so what are we arguing? If it's that Miguel wasn't and isn't the same fighter he was before Margarito, I completely agree. Even still, it was a good win for Manny. Cotto wasn't shot or dead at the weight. Again, he wasn't what he was pre-Margarito beating, but he wasn't a pushover and I had questions as to whether not Manny would be able to stand up to his power. He did, and made Cotto quit.

[big_james10]

My personal opinion is that the I Hate Mayweather media and fans overhyped Cotto, Margarito, and aging (notice word aging) Mosley so they legitimize their ridiculous claims that Mayweather was ducking top competition. Nothing else justifies either of these guys ever being on a P4P list.

And when I say fan, I'm referring to Mayweather's consumer base. A large percentage of those who order Mayweather fights or buy a ticket to his events are their to see him lose. Like Buddy Rogers said, "Whether they come to see me win or lose, its still five bucks in the seat."

Under no circumstances does someone pay to see someone lose. This is a total fallacy that Mayweather haters like to use to try to explain his popularity. No one is going to fork out $60 to see someone lose. Using your logic, 2.4 million people paid $60 to see Mayweather lose to Oscar De La Hoya. Previously, Oscar's biggest PPV match was against Felix Trinidad (1.4 million PPV's sold) and Hopkins (1 million PPVs sold) and Mayweather's was against Gatti (450,000 PPVs). So Mayweather suddenly picked up another 1 milion fans against Oscar because people wanted to see him lose? And you are also telling me that 1.1 million people thought Mayweather would lose to Juan Manuel Marquez? Ridiculous. Nobody in their right mind thought Mayweather would lose to Marquez and when Marquez headlined a PPV, he could only sell 200,000 PPVs, so people damn sure weren't paying to see Marquez.

Mayweather is the biggest attraction in boxing because he does a great job of marketing himself and boxing fans like to see him perform in what they expect to be competitive matches.

[mathed]

So Floyd made Pac's career by retiring every 2 years. More like Floyd extended his own career by retiring instead of fighting every 5 months because he and Pac would have fought by now and he would have lost his 0.

[edgarg]

honest answer? its no secret Floyd has problems with his hands, shoulders and back. his long lay offs are mostly influenced by the right healing process.

many consider these "vacations" ducking, Floyd's just a real smart guy.

He wouldn't require any "healing" process if he has a good, properly organised camp. That's what camps are for, to get the fighter ready for the fight. Any fighter who suffers injuries to his hands, back and shoulders with every fight, sufficient to take 15-16 months to "heal" should be sitting in a rocking chair in front of a fire.

No fighter in history good or bad, has ever NEEDED that length of time to recover from a fight, in fact, a fighter, even after a tought fight, if he hasn't strained a muscle and his legs are OK can be back in the gym within a couple of weeks. He need not spar, nor exercise any damaged area. In my time, when we needed painful shots to travel abroad, we would still continue in the gym, but using only one arm on the bag. And of course, no skipping. Even sparred one handed against a 2 handed sparmate, just to keep in shape.

I'd bet that Mayweather is in the gym at least 3 days a week on a regular basis even if only for an hour or two. He prides himself too much on his regular fitness to do otherwise.