Comments Thread For: Ellerbe: Pacquiao's Rise Helped By Mayweather's Layoff

[hitking]

I have seen some really ****** comments on this message board, but this, by far is the dumbest, most ignorant and just plain ****** comment I have ever seen on this board. You would have to be the worse kind of idiot to say that Cotto, Margarito and Mosley became stars because of fans dislike of Mayweather. First of all, Margarito never was and never will be a star.The only victory against a top tier opponent that he has on his resume was against Cotto, and in light of the loaded gloves incident against Mosley, that victory is in dispute. Mosley achieved is stardom by dominating the lightweight division and then beating De La Hoya twice and to a lesser extent Vargas twice and Margarito. Cotto is the product of great marketing and matchmaking. None of these guys success, or in the case of Margarito (lack of success) had anything to do with Mayweather. Pac became as big as he is by: beating Oscar de la Hoya: through very clever matchmaking that kept him out the ring with boxers who would actually beat him; excellent marketing by Arum; very poor, subjective and outright-biased coverage by the boxing media: and, last but not least, Pac's use of steroids. His rise to fame had nothing to do with Mayweather, but I agree with Ellerbe that Mayweather's absence helped Pac.

To claim that any of these guys or Pacquaio became stars because people dislike Mayweather shows just how ignorant of anything boxing related that you really are.

You just kinda made my point sir. Notice I said stars to a lesser extent. Within the hardcore fight community, they were stars. Pac has become a crossover star. Therefore, Cotto, Margarito and notice I said an aging Mosley became stars to a lesser extent. And as you said, Cotto was a product of matchmaking. Margarito's never beaten anyone. And Mosley's post lightweight career (notice, as he was aging) has been mediocre. So why did they all at one point or another become guys seen as legitimate threats to Mayweather? They were the hope guys, like Pac is now. A large part of Mayweather's fanbase is people who want to see him lose. Therefore, they jump on the next hope huy. Right now its Pac. Next will be Martinez or Khan.

[DominiBox]

i think floyd's lay-offs did in fact help both pac and floyd...

in floyd's absence, pac doing what he did in spectacular fashion, became the face of boxing...

floyd, who was the p4p # 1 b4 pac, for one reason or another, appear to wish to reclaim the spot...and started on his come back trail, again...

noises both camps made i think are just a prelude to the meeting of the two in the ring...

and this again, sort of also help boxing, in general...

hope it comes about may 2012...

Now... this is a comment with objectivity !! Good one !!

[tangalog2200]

You just kinda made my point sir. Notice I said stars to a lesser extent. Within the hardcore fight community, they were stars. Pac has become a crossover star. Therefore, Cotto, Margarito and notice I said an aging Mosley became stars to a lesser extent. And as you said, Cotto was a product of matchmaking. Margarito's never beaten anyone. And Mosley's post lightweight career (notice, as he was aging) has been mediocre. So why did they all at one point or another become guys seen as legitimate threats to Mayweather? They were the hope guys, like Pac is now. A large part of Mayweather's fanbase is people who want to see him lose. Therefore, they jump on the next hope huy. Right now its Pac. Next will be Martinez or Khan.

it is difficult to stick to the notion that people want floyd to lose to the so called hope guys..just bcoz of the perception that people hate floyd so much...

that is just like saying boxing fans are just hooked up to personalities...

and are not really interested to see/watch what boxing styles and/or skills or what game plans would be in play in fights between floyd and the hope guys..

such scenario is unfair to floyd as he would be in a no win situation..

[ThePrince]

Well to be honest no one was saying that Pacquiao was P4P#1 before Mayweather left. None of the hype was there for Pacquiao other than his wins over Barrera and Morales who beat him once.

Not true at all. Many people claimed Pac was lb 4 lb #1 as far back as 05-06.

http://www.***********.com/boxingfor...pound-1-a.html

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...ound-for-pound

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/Benz_111906.htm

Floyd leaving just made it official, him coming back hasn't changed a damn thing.

[adp023]

Even if Manny wins this deflamation suit that doesnt mean hes going to get any money. Example OJ Simpson walks on the murder charges of his wife. Her parents come back and sue him in a civil case. They win and are awarded 10 mil. You know how much money OJ paid his in-laws? ****... And Manny knows this since he has the same lawyer as Nicole Brown Simpsons parents.

O.J. didn't pay coz the amount awarded was too high and he didn't have it!!

25 November 2004 - The Independent
Link: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...es-534483.html
A defiant O J Simpson has vowed he will never pay the families of the murder victims Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman a penny of the $33.5m (£20m) damages they were awarded.

The former American football star-turned actor said in a television interview: "I've said this so many times ... If I have to work to pay them, I won't work. It's that simple. I'll just play golf every day."


The amount Pac will be awarded won't be higher than Floyd's net worth. SO UNLESS FLOYD DECIDES TO RETIRE FOR GOOD, HE WILL PAY IT. Remember according to Floyd, "he's his own boss", made "60 million for 2 fights", "got paid 1 million by Reebok for 3 weeks" and "owns 5 mansions"!!!

[Brother Jay]

Not true at all. Many people claimed Pac was lb 4 lb #1 as far back as 05-06.

http://www.***********.com/boxingfor...pound-1-a.html

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...ound-for-pound

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/Benz_111906.htm

Floyd leaving just made it official, him coming back hasn't changed a damn thing.

For what? Getting beaten by Erik Morales and then avenging the loss?

Get the fcuk out of here with that nonsense. I don't care who it was ... a win over Erik Morales isn't making ANYONE P4P#1. Especially due to the fact that Morales got taught a boxing lesson by Zahir Raheem.

You should be hobbled like James Caan in "Misery" for making that ****** statement. I have no time for anymore of your foolishness.

[hitking]

it is difficult to stick to the notion that people want floyd to lose to the so called hope guys..just bcoz of the perception that people hate floyd so much...

that is just like saying boxing fans are just hooked up to personalities...

and are not really interested to see/watch what boxing styles and/or skills or what game plans would be in play in fights between floyd and the hope guys..

such scenario is unfair to floyd as he would be in a no win situation..

Its unfair to Mayweather in a the sense that he never recieves credit for beating anyone. But its very fair to him in the sense that he created this guy they love to hate persona and has made a lot of money because of it.

[big_james10]

You just kinda made my point sir. Notice I said stars to a lesser extent. Within the hardcore fight community, they were stars. Pac has become a crossover star. Therefore, Cotto, Margarito and notice I said an aging Mosley became stars to a lesser extent. And as you said, Cotto was a product of matchmaking. Margarito's never beaten anyone. And Mosley's post lightweight career (notice, as he was aging) has been mediocre. So why did they all at one point or another become guys seen as legitimate threats to Mayweather? They were the hope guys, like Pac is now. A large part of Mayweather's fanbase is people who want to see him lose. Therefore, they jump on the next hope huy. Right now its Pac. Next will be Martinez or Khan.

I still say that none of these guys success had anything to do with Mayweather. While it is true that they were all seen as legitimate threats to Mayweather, their contender status had nothing to do with their success.

Also, in no way, shape or form can you be a fan of someone you hate! I am not and never have been a fan or Pacquaio!

[ThePrince]

For what? Getting beaten by Erik Morales and then avenging the loss?

Get the fcuk out of here with that nonsense. I don't care who it was ... a win over Erik Morales isn't making ANYONE P4P#1. Especially due to the fact that Morales got taught a boxing lesson by Zahir Raheem.

You should be hobbled like James Caan in "Misery" for making that ****** statement. I have no time for anymore of your foolishness.

no need to catch feelings my dude. You made a statement, I made one to counter it and provided documented proof to back it up. Just pointing out the fact that a lot of people thought a win over Erik Morales>a win over Carlos Baldomir.

Fact is, Floyd has fought a few times since Pac officially became the #1 guy and it hasn't changed any rankings (except maybe Iole's for a couple of days )

[hitking]

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I still say that none of these guys success had anything to do with Mayweather. While it is true that they were all seen as legitimate threats to Mayweather, their contender status had nothing to do with their success.

Also, in no way, shape or form can you be a fan of someone you hate! I am not and never have been a fan or Pacquaio!

My personal opinion is that the I Hate Mayweather media and fans overhyped Cotto, Margarito, and aging (notice word aging) Mosley so they legitimize their ridiculous claims that Mayweather was ducking top competition. Nothing else justifies either of these guys ever being on a P4P list.

And when I say fan, I'm referring to Mayweather's consumer base. A large percentage of those who order Mayweather fights or buy a ticket to his events are their to see him lose. Like Buddy Rogers said, "Whether they come to see me win or lose, its still five bucks in the seat."