Comments Thread For: Ellerbe: Pacquiao's Rise Helped By Mayweather's Layoff

[edgarg]

Too soon to send, needs to be rewritten and then edited again.

[kfcfloydiots]

Ellerbe is the the Johnnie Cochran of boxing. Although everyone still thinks OJ killed his wife, it was Johnnie who convinced the jury he was not. Ellerbe is trying to convince the boxing fans that Floyd really isn't a Coward, although he is one. Floyd is still P4P ChickenS#!T.

[peplz]

He wouldn't require any "healing" process if he has a good, properly organised camp. That's what camps are for, to get the fighter ready for the fight. Any fighter who suffers injuries to his hands, back and shoulders with every fight, sufficient to take 15-16 months to "heal" should be sitting in a rocking chair in front of a fire.

No fighter in history good or bad, has ever NEEDED that length of time to recover from a fight, in fact, a fighter, even after a tought fight, if he hasn't strained a muscle and his legs are OK can be back in the gym within a couple of weeks. He need not spar, nor exercise any damaged area. In my time, when we needed painful shots to travel abroad, we would still continue in the gym, but using only one arm on the bag. And of course, no skipping. Even sparred one handed against a 2 handed sparmate, just to keep in shape.

I'd bet that Mayweather is in the gym at least 3 days a week on a regular basis even if only for an hour or two. He prides himself too much on his regular fitness to do otherwise.

All of these are reasons that some ex fighters are damned near cripple later in life after their careers are over. If you can afford to live a life of leisure why not take time off? Its only making him a fresher fighter later into life when he does decide that he wants to compete. Like now. This time off that he takes is a luxury that only a fighter with a bank account like his can afford. Ortiz will not be facing your typical 34 year old body of a veteran fighter when he fights Mayweather. He will be facing a top athlete that has not been absorbing any abuse but has stayed in good shape. Mayweather's boxing body is probably a lot more like that of a 28 year old. Rust aside, this is totally an advantage for Mayweather.

[LeadUppercut]

I dispute your comment that "most considered (it) a loss to marquez"... I saw that fight, and I consider myself at least an adequate judge, and i was sure that MannyP had won clearly although closely.

No, most commentators/analysts had Marquez winning that fight.

[Capo Loko]

This is true. Til' this day, not a lot of people know Manny Juice Pacquita. Mayweather is known... he's the Jordan of boxing!

[LeadUppercut]

Ellerbe: Pacquiao's Rise Helped By..... ?

At least Ellerbe kept it professional



I wonder if Crockett can expect a phone call from Petrocelli ?

[igami07]

Team Mayweather and Team Pacquiao are some f-cking Divas.

It's because of the great fans on Boxingscene and around the world that made these guys who they are.

Who do they think make the PPV buys, Ratings on 24/7 or 360, and fights they put on successful?

It's the fans hard earned money that made these guys rich.
Nobody was gonna stop watching boxing because Mayweather got rich off us and decided to go on vacation.

We the fans made both their asses famous.
I'm sick of these two having their own little pissing contest.
Everything is a f-cking competition between them.

The one competition that we the fans really care about is not happening, and that is the fight.

Nice very nice! two thumbs up to you buddy!

[AceBoeing]

This is true. Til' this day, not a lot of people know Manny Juice Pacquita. Mayweather is known... he's the Jordan of boxing!

You're on Frauds **** and you got his juices flowing through your brains if you really think that. Stop disrespecting Michael Jordan clown.

[edgarg]

All of these are reasons that some ex fighters are damned near cripple later in life after their careers are over. If you can afford to live a life of leisure why not take time off? Its only making him a fresher fighter later into life when he does decide that he wants to compete. Like now. This time off that he takes is a luxury that only a fighter with a bank account like his can afford. Ortiz will not be facing your typical 34 year old body of a veteran fighter when he fights Mayweather. He will be facing a top athlete that has not been absorbing any abuse but has stayed in good shape. Mayweather's boxing body is probably a lot more like that of a 28 year old. Rust aside, this is totally an advantage for Mayweather.

No I don't think he will, because TIME is the inexorable enemy of speed and skills. All it'll do is perhaps keep his facial skin a bit softer and smoother than it might have been after 3-4 fights a year. Maybe a bit less stress on the ligaments, but correspondingly less build up of the muscles surrounding and helping the ligaments.

The point I was making was that the slowly built up camp a fighter goes through PREPARES him for strenuous activity for a full 12 rds. His camp takes every kind of exertion into consideration, and whilst there are sometimes injuries in a fight that could't be forseen, the vast majority of fighters finish the 12 rds without injury, other than that inflicted by the opponent, such as bruises, cuts etc.

Having had the fight doesn't mean that the fighter is now depleted so that he needs another 6 months rest to allow his body to heal. (in the case we're talking about 16 months rest) A good 2-3 night's sleep will restore most of his used energy.

You're talking about a guy whom YOU SAY needs to take a year or more between fights to restore his tissues, to allow him to fight longer. I say that all this does is to make it more difficult each time for him to get into BATTLE HARDENED shape, because he has allowed his physical condition to relax and deteriorate for far too long. It's that BATTLE TOUGHNESS I'm talking about, not normal gym fitness. and it may be this liking for long layoffs, which dictates the way he fights, avoiding the tough battles.

Like the guy who trains in the gym for 3 hours EVERY day for 6 months, but the first experience with a good solid medicine ball in the stomach brings him to realise that he needs extra toughness just there.

So if a fighter is in such a precarious bodily condition that he needs such a long period to recuperate, then he shouldn't be fighting. I don't think his body is in THAT sort of shape and I feel he could fight 3-4 times a year if he wanted to, without strain.

So it's just a difference of opinion between us.

[Brother Jay]

Dear Brother, you seem to have a fixation about peasants, and an enormous monomaniacal upinion of your own capabilities, which is similiar to that of your lord and master, who, instead of asking your aid, is spending his energies avoiding the process server. You flatter yourself that you are such an expert on boxing, which is O.K. as no one else does, and you flatter me in your opinion (I take it as an opinion rather than a pronouncement of DOOM) that I know nothing. I think we're not talking about the same things.

Reverend Brother, I have forgotten more about boxing than you will ever learn, which, since I have an excellent memory, and forget little...seems just about right. But when you learn that Boxing is first and foremost a BUSINESS, and promoters first and foremost PROMOTE, and that fighters first and foremost fight to make MONEY, we can always talk again. So keep hoeing your cabbages. You may find a few heads there which look familiar. But leave boxing to those who know.

You are not conducting a discussion on boxing, you are blaring put your dogmatic and absolute decisions on what is and what isn't. Except that you don't have it right. Why you don't have it right there is little use in telling you , since your genre don't listen. You spout.

More foolishness from the peasant pundit.

Are you college educated? I ask because if this is the best you can come up with as a rebuttal, then I think that you have a very strong case for a refund for your entire tuition.

Peasant or not, the education system has no right to take advantage of you.

And with each post, it becomes more and more clear that you aren't here to discuss boxing as much as you want to be heard because you have no friends who are willing to listen to your bull****.

If you're not going to talk about boxing, why come to a boxing forum???????

You need friends? You looking for dates? lolololol ... what do you actually do here at this boxing forum?

Oh I get it. You like 90% of the *******s who comes here have absolutely no interest in boxing. Only in creating shrines to Manny Pacquiao and defending the classless excuses he makes to avoid fighting a legitimate champion in the past three years.

So if you don't even watch boxing, but can find the time to sign up on a boxing site to proclaim your love for a man and NOT boxing itself, then you're just a **** waste of time.

I hope that works out for you.