Re watched Berto vs Ortiz...

[GrandpaBernard]

1) Since when did Victor double and triple up on jabs? This kid can barely even get himself to throw a jab, he has averaged about 13 a round in his last few fights.

2) Shoulder roll can still be done against lefties in the pocket or inside where their shoulders are squared up negating their own angle advantages. This why Floyd was in that guard all night at close quarters against Corley.

3) Reason Floyd wants to come towards and pressure Ortiz is tied to reason 2, Floyd can neutralize the southpaw angles at closer ranges. Floyd won't need to do this against manny because manny will be chasing and lunging in against him. Ortiz right hook is killer, the southpaw hook comes from the most awkward angle in boxing. Watch Floyd's last fight and see him get caught with a looping right, those are the only punches that Floyd is somewhat vulnerable to.

[Rome-By-Ko]

He knocked down Miadana down twice in the same round and even the commentators thought the fight might be over, that's domination.

Say whatever you want but Maidana wasn't outboxing or out brawling Ortiz, he just QUIT. You can call him a quitter, but lets not act like Maidana has Victors number because Victor is a much different fighter now.

LMAO how has Ortiz change please let me know what he does differently now..Give me a break lol..Oh and because you drop a fighter does not mean you dominated a fight..Ortiz drop Peterson twice in 1 rd he did not dominate him did he??This post is too funny..

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

LMAO how has Ortiz change please let me know what he does differently now..Give me a break lol..Oh and because you drop a fighter does not mean you dominated a fight..Ortiz drop Peterson twice in 1 rd he did not dominate him did he??This post is too funny..

He has changed in his demeanor and the way he responded from adversity. When Maidana hit him, he quit, when Berto did the same and had him in REAL trouble, he responded by fighting and knocking Berto down.

If you can't see that, then that's the only funny part of all of this. Your blinded by your hate of Ortiz and why you wouldn't like him is beyond me, he's a good kid who just needed some adversity to give him the experience to make him a better fighter.

[puga]

Said it then and I'll say it again...

Closer fight on paper than it looked in the ring.

it's the complete opposite to me.....i see ortiz winning atleast 4 rounds, would'nt be surprised if he drops floyd too....and when floyd said he aint gonna box him, i dont think he meant it... id love to see him stand his ground ...

[Paclan]

If Pacman fought Ortiz:

"Ortiz has no heart, Pacman picking on a dude who just quit against Maidana and is green as a tree, way to cherry pick"

When Floyd fights Ortiz

"Ortiz is the best there is to fight, he is the best"!

lol that's true, that's what people would say.

[Rome-By-Ko]

He has changed in his demeanor and the way he responded from adversity. When Maidana hit him, he quit, when Berto did the same and had him in REAL trouble, he responded by fighting and knocking Berto down.

If you can't see that, then that's the only funny part of all of this. Your blinded by your hate of Ortiz and why you wouldn't like him is beyond me, he's a good kid who just needed some adversity to give him the experience to make him a better fighter.

I have no hate for Ortiz I'm just not up his azz either,and bro a win over Berto(I pick Ortiz to win that fight and won points on it as well)does nothing in making me a believer..Ortiz is a good fighter I never said he was not,but Maidana is a good fighter as well and saying Ortiz was dominating him is a hoot you can not be serious..The difference between Berto and Maidana was Maidana put his punches together while Berto was looking for one shot to end the fight..The defense was also a problem for Berto,watch in the six rd Berto after he hurt Ortiz drops his hands to go in for the kill..Maidana kept his hands up and continued to land flush shots..I think to much goes into Ortiz win over Berto,I like Ortiz he is fun to watch but don't overrate him..He is the same fighter who fought Maidana nothing has change bro..

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I have no hate for Ortiz I'm just not up his azz either,and bro a win over Berto(I pick Ortiz to win that fight and won points on it as well)does nothing in making me a believer..Ortiz is a good fighter I never said he was not,but Maidana is a good fighter as well and saying Ortiz was dominating him is a hoot you can not be serious..The difference between Berto and Maidana was Maidana put his punches together while Berto was looking for one shot to end the fight..The defense was also a problem for Berto,watch in the six rd Berto after he hurt Ortiz drops his hands to go in for the kill..Maidana kept his hands up and continued to land flush shots..I think to much goes into Ortiz win over Berto,I like Ortiz he is fun to watch but don't overrate him..He is the same fighter who fought Maidana nothing has change bro..

It's easy to sit here and be a Monday morning QB. To say you had picked Ortiz, well I believe you for the sake of argument but you were in the minority.

Also, Ortiz was dominating that fight, the same way he was dominating Peterson. Maidana wasn't putting his shots together or defending well, he was throwing haymaker right hands which continues to land on Ortiz and Ortiz QUIT...lol what part of that did you miss? Should I post the video of the fight?

I mean he hit Ortiz with a big right hand that dropped him and after that was loading up with the same right hand that Ortiz couldn't defend.

Then in the Berto fight, Berto dropped him with a counter right because Ortiz extended himself and made a mistake. After that, Bert was NOT landing the same right hand he was constantly looking for and that was even when Ortiz was coming forward.

So to say Ortiz is the same fighter is completely wrong and simplistic of you. Ortiz learned from both the Peterson and Miadana fight and I also think him coming in at 147lbs was much better for him. He looked stronger and faster at that weight.

Look, I'm not overrating Ortiz, I have him losing to Mayweather no doubt but I also am not going to sit here and say he's the same guy who lost to Maidana and drew vs Peterson. Fighters do learn and do get better you know and sometimes it comes not only physically but mentally and Ortiz is a different fighter mentally, anyone can see that.

Maidana is a one dimensional fighter, he comes forward and brawls. Erik Morales showed that and was right there with him with one eye and HURT Maidana. Ortiz beats Maidana if they ever rematch and I will put some points on that with you.

[Silencers]

Who knows? Maybe it was Berto's plan to circle into Ortiz's left hand to draw Ortiz's left hand and set up a counterpunching opportunities with Berto's right. Plus, maybe they thought even though Ortiz is a southpaw, his left hand might not be as damaging as his right since he's naturally right handed.

Like if a guy fought DLH, who is naturally left handed but fights in the orthodox stance, I'd tell him to circle into DLH's right hand, away from the lead hand, which was his power hand.

[Pacquiao'd]

Completely wrong....

He was dominating Maidana in the early parts of that fight. Yes he comes forward, and yes he needs to engage but let's not say ridiculous stuff like "Ortiz is a mediocre boxer" he has a long amateur pedigree and is a very good boxer. His problem is he relies on his power a little too much and shows zero patience at times.

Let's be real here, he QUIT vs Maidana, he wasn't outboxed or out slugged, he just gave up because he had never faced adversity in his life and QUIT.

Bert is a much better boxer than Maidana and if he can get up from berto's shots and avoid his speed, he can with Maidana. Just because a boxer loses once, it isn't the end all of everything. Ortiz is young, he learned a valuable lesson and came back, let's give him his just due.

good post......................

[Rome-By-Ko]

It's easy to sit here and be a Monday morning QB. To say you had picked Ortiz, well I believe you for the sake of argument but you were in the minority.

Also, Ortiz was dominating that fight, the same way he was dominating Peterson. Maidana wasn't putting his shots together or defending well, he was throwing haymaker right hands which continues to land on Ortiz and Ortiz QUIT...lol what part of that did you miss? Should I post the video of the fight?

I mean he hit Ortiz with a big right hand that dropped him and after that was loading up with the same right hand that Ortiz couldn't defend.

Then in the Berto fight, Berto dropped him with a counter right because Ortiz extended himself and made a mistake. After that, Bert was NOT landing the same right hand he was constantly looking for and that was even when Ortiz was coming forward.

So to say Ortiz is the same fighter is completely wrong and simplistic of you. Ortiz learned from both the Peterson and Miadana fight and I also think him coming in at 147lbs was much better for him. He looked stronger and faster at that weight.

Look, I'm not overrating Ortiz, I have him losing to Mayweather no doubt but I also am not going to sit here and say he's the same guy who lost to Maidana and drew vs Peterson. Fighters do learn and do get better you know and sometimes it comes not only physically but mentally and Ortiz is a different fighter mentally, anyone can see that.

Maidana is a one dimensional fighter, he comes forward and brawls. Erik Morales showed that and was right there with him with one eye and HURT Maidana. Ortiz beats Maidana if they ever rematch and I will put some points on that with you.

Well have to agree to disagree on this bro,but if the fight ever happens you got ya self a bet..But I did pick Ortiz to beat Berto its in my bet book,I. Just thought he had the tools to pull it off..