Re watched Berto vs Ortiz...

[No1]

One thing Ortiz cannot do in the fight with Floyd is to lunge in after every jab and leave himself open to counter left hooks and straight rights. Ortiz has a habit of over extending his punches thus end up falling into his opponent esspecially against such a slick counter puncher like floyd.

Also Ortiz needs to double up on everything, he cannot use simple 1,2 combos as floyds defence and timing will allow him to simply slip and roll those shots and counter back with his own. Ortiz should use 2-3 jabs at a time to keep floyd tucked into his shell then pepper floyd with flurrys of punches and this not allow him to get into a rhythem with his shoulder roll defence. This will be a tough tough fight for oritz but floyd is getting older and without fighting much will have some rust early on.

I still think Floyd will win by either a late round TKO or a very wide UD but If ortiz can stick to the gameplan and show heart and desire then I think he can make it very rouugh for floyd and may even hurt him a few times.

[fitefanSHO]

Said it then and I'll say it again...

Closer fight on paper than it looked in the ring.

[Walt Liquor]

oritz admires his work so he's open for counters and has no jab to speak of.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Completely wrong....

He was dominating Maidana in the early parts of that fight. Yes he comes forward, and yes he needs to engage but let's not say ridiculous stuff like "Ortiz is a mediocre boxer" he has a long amateur pedigree and is a very good boxer. His problem is he relies on his power a little too much and shows zero patience at times.

Let's be real here, he QUIT vs Maidana, he wasn't outboxed or out slugged, he just gave up because he had never faced adversity in his life and QUIT.

Bert is a much better boxer than Maidana and if he can get up from berto's shots and avoid his speed, he can with Maidana. Just because a boxer loses once, it isn't the end all of everything. Ortiz is young, he learned a valuable lesson and came back, let's give him his just due.

Ortiz was dominating Maaidana when he and Maidana both were on their backs??Get real dude Ortiz was not dominating Maidana..He quit because he was getting trashed,Ortiz was dominating lol what fight was you watching??

[Walt Liquor]

I 100% believe that it was killing Victor to make 140.

[The Big Dunn]

I 100% believe that it was killing Victor to make 140.

AGree 100%. Looks like 147 is the best weight for him for the next year or so. If his power stays with him he is gonna be a problem at 154.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Agree with this Berto whilst had good power simply did not throw enough shots after he was hurt in the first allowing Ortiz to tee off.

Dudes saying Ortiz has never faced adversity are wrong,Maidana was not his first lost...

[Rome-By-Ko]

I 100% believe that it was killing Victor to make 140.

I don't buy he could not make weight and that's why he lost to Maidana and imo lost to Peterson..He enjoyed a size advantage over both,and tbh I seen nothing different in his style from either weight..The difference was in opponent,not his skill(Ortiz)..

[Chopper417]

One thing Ortiz cannot do in the fight with Floyd is to lunge in after every jab and leave himself open to counter left hooks and straight rights. Ortiz has a habit of over extending his punches thus end up falling into his opponent esspecially against such a slick counter puncher like floyd.

Also Ortiz needs to double up on everything, he cannot use simple 1,2 combos as floyds defence and timing will allow him to simply slip and roll those shots and counter back with his own. Ortiz should use 2-3 jabs at a time to keep floyd tucked into his shell then pepper floyd with flurrys of punches and this not allow him to get into a rhythem with his shoulder roll defence. This will be a tough tough fight for oritz but floyd is getting older and without fighting much will have some rust early on.

I still think Floyd will win by either a late round TKO or a very wide UD but If ortiz can stick to the gameplan and show heart and desire then I think he can make it very rouugh for Floyd and may even hurt him a few times.

Floyd rarely uses the shoulder roll against south paws. Go back and watch his fights against southpaws..Corley, Mitchell, Judah, etc..Floyd fights much more offensively against southpaws and usually comes forwards with his high guard instead of trying to shoulder roll.

Floyd will absolutely come forward in this fight, most people thought he would be backing up against Mosley but look what happened, by round 6 Floyd was stalking and pressing the action completely. Floyd will have a very complete game plan for this fight, he knows that Ortiz cannot fight going backwards and he also knows that Ortiz doesn't have a strong enough jab or head movement to avoid his offense. It will take Floyd 4-5 rounds to get Ortiz moving backward and once that happens it's essentially over. I give Ortiz a 4-5 round window to land something huge or he's going to be in deep waters.

I think TS's breakdown is VERY good. Ortiz is extremely dynamic and My God can he punch. Berto thought he was going to win that fight on athletic ability alone, and he ran into a freight train. My biggest issue with Berto is that p**s*y little jab that he throws out. he paws with his jab instead of snapping it which is one of my biggest bet peeves in boxing. A little pawing jab is not going to slow down a big strong WW like Ortiz or even make him think twice about throwing.

Ortiz's right hook is absolutely devastating, I'm not sure which is more dangerous his right hook or his straight left.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Ortiz was dominating Maaidana when he and Maidana both were on their backs??Get real dude Ortiz was not dominating Maidana..He quit because he was getting trashed,Ortiz was dominating lol what fight was you watching??

He knocked down Miadana down twice in the same round and even the commentators thought the fight might be over, that's domination.

Say whatever you want but Maidana wasn't outboxing or out brawling Ortiz, he just QUIT. You can call him a quitter, but lets not act like Maidana has Victors number because Victor is a much different fighter now.