Cotto has ducked everyone at 154.

[ablindwatchmakr]

What I don't understand is that people are asking for Cotto to fight Martinez...OK fine...But, if the fight takes place how much criticism does Martinez deserves for picking "half dead fighter"? Martinez words on Cotto. Damn near calling him a shot fighter.

Because, wouldn't that mean Martinez is cherry picking? I mean if we can call Cotto-Foreman and Cotto-Margarito cherry picking. Then we damn sure can call Martinez-Cotto cherry picking on Martinez favor.

I agree, Martinez would be cherry picking if he fought Cotto. All this thread is really trying to show is that Cotto hasn't really done anything any differently than Pac or May, or any other fighter at some point in their career. The difference is that everyone seems to be fine with it when it's Cotto, but if it's anyone else then they are ducking or cherry picking. Honestly, Cotto isn't doing that bad at 154, but he also isn't fighting the best. People are saying that's understandable, given several variables mentioned by several people on this thread, but those same excuses could be made for other fighters at other points in their careers. All I'm saying is for peopel to be a little more honest about it.

[Kagami Taiga]

What I don't understand is that people are asking for Cotto to fight Martinez...OK fine...But, if the fight takes place how much criticism does Martinez deserves for picking "half dead fighter"? Martinez words on Cotto. Damn near calling him a shot fighter.

Because, wouldn't that mean Martinez is cherry picking? I mean if we can call Cotto-Foreman and Cotto-Margarito cherry picking. Then we damn sure can call Martinez-Cotto cherry picking on Martinez favor.

i mean if ur looking at the fight from martinez angle then sure say whatever u want about his past comments. i dont think cotto is a half dead fighter but i do think martinez beats him. itd still be a better fight than him vs anyone at 160 if he can make it and fight at 154. its the same thing with floyd, fighters say dumb ****. doesnt mean its true. from 154 to 160, to of the weakest divisions in boxing right now, if u ask anyone who the two best fighters are, it would probably have to be 1. martinez and 2. cotto. its proly the fight to make.

and if ur looking at it from cotto's angle, u cant say cotto fights everyone when he had the chance to fight a top p4p fighter and he did not at all have an interest in making this fight happen.

[ablindwatchmakr]

how awesome cotto is now? I can't remember seeing one such thread.

"Miguel Cotto is a great of this era" "Miguel Cotto is a hall of famer" "the cotto floyd ducked". Go read the threads. You will see what I mean.

[Barry Halls]

I agree, Martinez would be cherry picking if he fought Cotto. All this thread is really trying to show is that Cotto hasn't really done anything any differently than Pac or May, or any other fighter at some point in their career. The difference is that everyone seems to be fine with it when it's Cotto, but if it's anyone else then they are ducking or cherry picking. Honestly, Cotto isn't doing that bad at 154, but he also isn't fighting the best. People are saying that's understandable, given several variables mentioned by several people on this thread, but those same excuses could be made for other fighters at other points in their careers. All I'm saying is for peopel to be a little more honest about it.

well who are the best then? so far you've mentioned 160 champ martinez, pwill and saul alvarez who never beat anyone.

who do you want him to honestly fight after margs if he wins.

[Barry Halls]

"Miguel Cotto is a great of this era" "Miguel Cotto is a hall of famer" "the cotto floyd ducked". Go read the threads. You will see what I mean.

I've participated in the "hall of famer" and Cottos been pretty shut down in that thread.

[jrosales13]

i mean if ur looking at the fight from martinez angle then sure say whatever u want about his past comments. i dont think cotto is a half dead fighter but i do think martinez beats him. itd still be a better fight than him vs anyone at 160 if he can make it and fight at 154. its the same thing with floyd, fighters say dumb ****. doesnt mean its true. from 154 to 160, to of the weakest divisions in boxing right now, if u ask anyone who the two best fighters are, it would probably have to be 1. martinez and 2. cotto. its proly the fight to make.

and if ur looking at it from cotto's angle, u cant say cotto fights everyone when he had the chance to fight a top p4p fighter and he did not at all have an interest in making this fight happen.

The way Cotto looked against Mayorga, tells me what I need to know in where Cotto is right now as a fighter. Martinez might have been exaggerating a little but he wasn't so far off.

Martinez-Cotto is more of a cherry picked fight in Martinez favor than Cotto-Foreman/Margarito was/is in Cotto favor.

If the fight ever comes off. I hope you're criticize Martinez just as much(in reality it should be more so) than you criticizing Cotto.

[ablindwatchmakr]

He should have fought Paul Williams when? When he was booked to fight Cintron? When HBO worked hard for a Pwill - Martinez 2?

Martinez the lineal mw champ?

Canelo? You think his team would've let him anywhere near Cotto? Look at who hes still fighting.

So you are saying that there wasn't anyone else better than the guys he has fought when he has been available to fight? You are saying that if guys had been in negotiations with other fighters, they wouldn't have immediately dropped what they were doing to get a shot at Cotto? I honestly don't know what the schedule looked like at the times of all his fights, but I just can't believe he fought the best available, and people on this thread have already alluded to that fact: "it was his first fight, grudge match, defense, etc." You know what I'm saying.

The Canelo comment is hilarious and I'll concede that one was overboard, but I just had to say it.

[Barry Halls]

I don't think Foreman is or was the best at 154. But It's not like theres an endless string of options in the class.

I don't think anyone else at 154 have a significantly better 3 fight streak at the class than foreman, mayorga, margarito even considering mayorga was a joke.

But you should mention the guys you wan't to see him fight next in the class.
I.e who is he ducking.

[Kagami Taiga]

The way Cotto looked against Mayorga, tells me what I need to know in where Cotto is right now as a fighter. Martinez might have been exaggerating a little but he wasn't so far off.

Martinez-Cotto is more of a cherry picked fight in Martinez favor than Cotto-Foreman/Margarito was/is in Cotto favor.

If the fight ever comes off. I hope you're criticize Martinez just as much(in reality it should be more so) than you criticizing Cotto.

why would i? if martinez can make 154 and fight at that weight he deserves no criticism for fighting the #1 jww. who would be a better fight for him if this could happen? it may be a cherrypick, but its not because there are better options out there. theres no way ima sit here and say pirog or golovkin are better than even this version of cotto, because it damn sure aint true. sturm??? hah! i dont see how that fight isnt legit.

[ablindwatchmakr]

of course people expect more out of a p4p #1/2 and ATG's and future hof'ers, than a unranked p4p, none ATG and probably not a future hof.

It's to be expected.

All right, so you are basically agreeing with the point of this whole thread, aside from the implication that Cotto sucks, which I honestly don't believe anyway. I actually like Cotto a lot, but to hear people act like he is so much better than Mayweather or comparable is ridiculous. Same goes for Pac. And to say he is better because he always fights the best or to imply it is obviously wrong and you have admitted it. Yes this thread is a bit of trolling but it needed to be done.