Lets settle this once and for all! Who really won Ortiz or Peterson?

[Rome-By-Ko]

Dude, you act like Peterson was imposing his will on Ortiz or something? Give me a break. Btw, the fact that Ortiz was trying to get a weight advantage is irrelevant: he was draining himself. Secondly, I'm sick of hearing about the Maidana fight. Ortiz was beating his ass most of that fight. Ortiz made the mistake of not using his superior boxing ability and took too many shots. He could easily have beaten Maidana. Also, Maidana has never been close to as threatened since then. Tell you what, Ortiz may not have had a title, but he sure as well was capable of hurting ANYONE at 140. No question about it.

Boxing ability LMFAO,are you serious..What fight did Ortiz really use boxing ability??He is a bull rusher dude nothing more nothing less...You said Ortiz is a far better fighter then Peterson,but yet he had a size advantage and still could not get the victory..Size had everything to do with those KDs and tbh his power at the weight..So for him to have had the size advantage for yrs at the weight and not accomplish anything there he really does not seem like the better fighter bro..I'll agree Ortiz is capable of hurting anyone from 140lb to 147lb but can he take the punching back??Berto was single shots Maidana and Peterson was putting them together which is different then a guy trying to land one monster shot..

What was the score at the time Maidana stop Ortiz..Because I don't believe Ortiz was winning like that..At least not on my scorecard..I don't remember my score off the head but I know I had it close..

I watch that fight in Cancun too aww the memories...

[welcometosaigon]

That doesn't matter. You know that.

2 out of the 3 judges had Willie Pastrano beating Harold Johnson. That doesn't change the fact that Johnson clealry won the fight by ATLEAST 10 rounds.

The fight was close, ish, but clear.

Had there been no KD's as opposed to 2 KD's then yeah, Peterson would have won the fight, but, unfortunately for Lamont, there was.

And to suffer 2 KD's in a 10 Round fight, you better hope you sweep the rest of the rounds if you want to win the fight. And Peterson certainly did not.

Those two KD's came in one round, so that's 10-7 (down three points) instead of 10-8 and 10-8 if they had happened in separate rounds (down four points). So Peterson had 9 rounds of a 10 round fight to make up three points on the cards. For him to win the fight he would not have needed to sweep, as you said. He could've lost two rounds in addition to the round in which the knockdowns took place, and still won a decision.

People have to remember that boxing is scored round by round. You can beat the **** out of someone for a couple of rounds, but if you don't sustain your activity its going to be tough to win a decision, even though to the casual eye people will remember that you whooped that dude.

Oh, and Ortiz landed ONLY TWO JABS THE ENTIRE FIGHT!

[Evil Abed]

Just re-scored the fight.

A little different than I remember.

My Scorecard
--VO-LP
1.10-9
2.9-10
3.10-7
4.10-9
5.9-10
6.9-10
7.9-10
8.9-10
9.9-10
10.10-9
95-95

People should post their scorecards.

Ledderman is a horrible judge by the way.

His daughter is much better.

[Rome-By-Ko]

The first 5 rounds were close, yes. Plus TWO KD's for Ortiz.

You can't honestly believe that Peterson only lost Rounds 1 and 3, you just can't.

Peterson probably won more rounds than Ortiz but Ortiz KD'd him twice, man. It's very difficult to win a 10 Round fight being KD'd twice.

You believe Peterson won, I strongly disagree, I can't see how you can believe that.

But, you do. So we are going to have to agree to disagree.

But, you are one of few who believe Peterson won that fight.

And the fight wasn't a robbery, and the fight was close, but quite clear for Ortiz.

We been here before bro,agree to disagree..But one thing I can agree with is that the fight was close and damn sure nobody was robbed..

[IronDanHamza]

Clearly math is not a strength of yours. Those two KD's came in one round, so that's 10-7 (down three points) instead of 10-8 and 10-8 if they had happened in separate rounds (down four points). So Peterson had 9 rounds of a 10 round fight to make up three points on the cards. For him to win the fight he would not have needed to sweep, as you said. He could've lost two rounds in addition to the round in which the knockdowns took place, and still won a decision.

People have to remember that boxing is scored round by round. You can beat the **** out of someone for a couple of rounds, but if you don't sustain your activity its going to be tough to win a decision, even though to the casual eye people will remember that you whooped that dude.

Oh, and Ortiz landed ONLY TWO JABS THE ENTIRE FIGHT!

Math is not a particularly strong point of mine. I have an O-Level in it, atleast.

Good job this isn't a Math forum, ay?

Anyway, Ortiz knocked down Peterson twice and definitely won or at the very least argubaly won a handful of the first 5 rounds. So, for Peterson to WIN the fight, he would have had to atleast sweep the last 5 rounds, which he didn't.

Fact of the matter is, Peterson didn't win the fight and a draw is the bare minimum of what could have been given. And if anyone won the fight, it was Ortiz.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Those two KD's came in one round, so that's 10-7 (down three points) instead of 10-8 and 10-8 if they had happened in separate rounds (down four points). So Peterson had 9 rounds of a 10 round fight to make up three points on the cards. For him to win the fight he would not have needed to sweep, as you said. He could've lost two rounds in addition to the round in which the knockdowns took place, and still won a decision.

People have to remember that boxing is scored round by round. You can beat the **** out of someone for a couple of rounds, but if you don't sustain your activity its going to be tough to win a decision, even though to the casual eye people will remember that you whooped that dude.

Oh, and Ortiz landed ONLY TWO JABS THE ENTIRE FIGHT!

This...

[Evil Abed]

Math is not a particularly strong point of mine. I have an O-Level in it, atleast.

Good job this isn't a Math forum, ay?

Anyway, Ortiz knocked down Peterson twice and definitely won or at the very least argubaly won a handful of the first 5 rounds. So, for Peterson to WIN the fight, he would have had to atleast sweep the last 5 rounds, which he didn't.

Fact of the matter is, Peterson didn't win the fight and a draw is the bare minimum of what could have been given. And if anyone won the fight, it was Ortiz.

I had LP winning 5 straight and Victor won the final round to get the draw.

On my card.

[IronDanHamza]

I had LP winning 5 straight and Victor won the final round to get the draw.

On my card.

I've only watched it when it was live and one other time which was a while ago and had Ortiz winning both times so maybe I'll watch it again and see if my opinion differs.

You got a link?

[welcometosaigon]

Math is not a particularly strong point of mine. I have an O-Level in it, atleast.

Good job this isn't a Math forum, ay?

Anyway, Ortiz knocked down Peterson twice and definitely won or at the very least argubaly won a handful of the first 5 rounds. So, for Peterson to WIN the fight, he would have had to atleast sweep the last 5 rounds, which he didn't.

Fact of the matter is, Peterson didn't win the fight and a draw is the bare minimum of what could have been given. And if anyone won the fight, it was Ortiz.

Ha i removed that math comment after I posted it; it seemed needlessly snarky. Cong**** on the O-Level, even though I literally have no clue what that means.

And I agree with you that a draw is an acceptable outcome of the fight, and that's what it was.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Rd 1:I thought it was a good rd for both fighters,but Vic was aggressive and land the more effective punches..10-9 rd Ortiz

Rd 2:Peterson took control went to the body effectively and landed the more effective punches..10-9 rd Peterson

Rd 3:Ortiz has a big rd get's two KD's in the rd..10-7 rd Ortiz

Rd 4:Good rd for Peterson,Ortiz stay's active but nothing effective lands..All solid punches this rd(give or take a few)are landed by Peterson..10-9 rd Peterson

Rd 5:Very close rd both got good work in...Both were very effective landing solid punches..Neither fighter controlled this rd..!10-10 rd even

6:Peterson landing the Jab and Ortiz is not coming forward and pressing the fight..Peterson is in control of this rd..

7:Again Peterson is in control of this rd,they are fighting his fight..He is also landing flush more meaningful shots..

8:Again the fight never felt like Ortiz's fight after rd 3..Peterson punish him on the inside in the clinch and effectively boxed him on the outside..10-9 rd Peterson

9.More of the same...10-9 rd Peterson

10.Now we're talking..Ortiz is back and has bad intentions again..He also ate some hard shots in this rd,but did a lot of good work..IMO not enough to win the rd..10-10 even rd..

There you have it,94-96 Peterson..Now I ask you to watch it one more time..There were a lot of close rds imo..I would not be mad at anyone who scored a rd for Ortiz,but you can't be mad at me either..Other then the 3rd rd there was no clear cut winner in any other rds except for the 1st and the 2end imo...Peterson felt more in control threw out the fight and more in command of what pace the fight would be fought at..Very good close fight,I really wish that fight was 12 rds..But it was one I thought Peterson controlled and dictated threw out(well except for the 3rd)..