Comments Thread For: Arum on Mayweather-Ortiz, Pacquiao-Marquez, More

[jrosales13]

Like i said when inposted this link, i wasnt going to sit here late at night n search for a link and i wasnt going to read that article.,cause truth be tokd this entire arguement doesnt mean anything just a dissagreement.

When it comes down to it arum was bull****ting through the second negotiations all I had said was there was a moment where he admitted that they wernt contractual negotiations just talks between the camps. And im stating this all of memory so if im wrong than i am sorry but right now i feel as if I remember when bob arum had admitted that there was no contractual, and i use that word because i know there were talks, but no contractual negotiations in the summer of 2010

I don't ever remember seeing Arum admitting to such. Even recently in Koncz interview with fighthype they still talk about the "2nd round of negotiations". So I think you might be mistaken in this case. But, I will try to look for anything relying to that matter.

All I know is that Pac camp and Floyd camp have reasons to lie. Greenburg doesn't. Maybe you just have a different interpretation of what negotiations are.

However, it's irrelevant. Because, Pac camp knew what they had to agree to get the fight done. And, they didn't agree. They wanted a 14 day cutoff. Floyd camp made it clear that it had to be random all the way up to the fight. At least offer a 7 day cutoff(which Koncz lied about they did, when they didn't). Because, a 14 day cutoff wasn't and is not going to get the fight done.

[sweetscience18]

I don't ever remember seeing Arum admitting to such. Even recently in Koncz interview with fighthype they still talk about the "2nd round of negotiations". So I think you might be mistaken in this case. But, I will try to look for anything relying to that matter.

All I know is that Pac camp and Floyd camp have reasons to lie. Greenburg doesn't. Maybe you just have a different interpretation of what negotiations are.

However, it's irrelevant. Because, Pac camp knew what they had to agree to get the fight done. And, they didn't agree. They wanted a 14 day cutoff. Floyd camp made it clear that it had to be random all the way up to the fight. At least offer a 7 day cutoff(which Koncz lied about they did, when they didn't). Because, a 14 day cutoff wasn't and is not going to get the fight done.

No i understand what negotiations are. I just dont think arum ever had any intentions to make the fight that summer. He knew floyd wasnt gojng for a 14 day cutoff. And when you have floyds entire camp and family saying that they arent interested in the negotiating i think arum saw it as another chance for him to make floyd look like a coward....and then comes the countdown.

[jrosales13]

Imo they were talks between the camps...

Smething along the lines of greenburg telling haymon Manny will accept 50-50 with 14 day cutoff and floyd saying no, no cutoffs or no fight...and that was probably the end of it. Then arum spinned it off as we have come to terms jut waiting for floyd to call.

Oscar is the name, i think the thing he does good for the company is mentoring the young fighters. He should tell ortiz to keep quiet around cameras though dont encourage tpthat man.

Oh OK, I think now I know what you're saying and you maybe right. Except for that Arum admitting such thing. I just never saw sorry.

I think Greenburg talked to someone form Floyd camp and Arum. But, it pretty much ended as you said. Where Pac camp wasn't budging from the 14 day cutoff and Floyd camp wanting random testing all the way up to the fight. Some might take this as negotiations though...

Arum did seem to spin it off as they came to terms, You're absolutely right in this. Because, Arum never came to terms. Well....He came to HIS OWN terms. Which he knew Floyd would never agreed to.

[sweetscience18]

Oh OK, I think now I know what you're saying and you maybe right. Except for that Arum admitting such thing. I just never saw sorry.

I think Greenburg talked to someone form Floyd camp and Arum. But, it pretty much ended as you said. Where Pac camp wasn't budging from the 14 day cutoff and Floyd camp wanting random testing all the way up to the fight. Some might take this as negotiations though...

Arum did seem to spin it off as they came to terms, You're absolutely right in this. Because, Arum never came to terms. Well....He came to HIS OWN terms. Which he knew Floyd would never agreed to.

I know it sounds terrible and im probably not the only one whos thinking this...but its time for bob arum to leave this world.

[jrosales13]

No i understand what negotiations are. I just dont think arum ever had any intentions to make the fight that summer. He knew floyd wasnt gojng for a 14 day cutoff. And when you have floyds entire camp and family saying that they arent interested in the negotiating i think arum saw it as another chance for him to make floyd look like a coward....and then comes the countdown.

I agree you're right. Arum most likely knew that Floyd wasn't going to accept the 14 day cutoff. And, he probably didn't have any intentions in make the fight(it was going to be for November) at that time.

However, Mayweather camp helped Arum to make Floyd "look like a coward" which I don't think Floyd came out looking that way. Because, Floyd camp made it seem as if there was no talks whatsoever. And, that by all accounts was a lie. Floyd camp lied by not accepting there was some talks.

Again there had to be. Because, why would Greenburg come out and say it.

Floyd camp should be held accountable as well no? I mean the whole time they said there's no negotiations no talks no nothing. Which again by any logical person is bullshit. There was some kind of back and forth. Why not just admit that?

Why not come out and say that? Why not say yea they offered a 14 day cutoff we made it clear we want random all the way up to the fight. So we not agreeing to that. But, no they straight out acted like there was no talks whatsoever. Which makes them look like liars. I agree that Arum wasn't negotiating in good faiths. But, Floyd camp played themselves by not being honest also.

[sweetscience18]

I agree you're right. Arum most likely knew that Floyd wasn't going to accept the 14 day cutoff. And, he probably didn't have any intentions in make the fight(it was going to be for November) at that time.

However, Mayweather camp helped Arum to make Floyd "look like a coward" which I don't think Floyd came out looking that way. Because, Floyd camp made it seem as if there was no talks whatsoever. And, that by all accounts was a lie. Floyd camp lied by not accepting there was some talks.

Again there had to be. Because, why would Greenburg come out and say it.

Floyd camp should be held accountable as well no? I mean the whole time they said there's no negotiations no talks no nothing. Which again by any logical person is bullshit. There was some kind of back and forth. Why not just admit that?

Why not come out and say that? Why not say yea they offered a 14 day cutoff we made it clear we want random all the way up to the fight. So we not agreeing to that. But, no they straight out acted like there was no talks whatsoever. Which makes them look like liars. I agree that Arum wasn't negotiating in good faiths. But, Floyd camp played themselves by not being honest also.

Agreed, they keep playing themselves. Theyve been sitting back in the cut acting as if its no big deal and everyone should just believe them because they feel they are right while bobs doin a good job of spinning it off as floyd doesnt want the fight. Now floyds back and tried setting the record straight on fighthype but too many people already have their minds made up that hes a liar and coward..shame

All i can say is if they dont get it right after floyd and mannys upcoming fights then Ill lose all interest in the tw of them ever meeting up.

[jrosales13]

I know it sounds terrible and im probably not the only one whos thinking this...but its time for bob arum to leave this world.

Why exactly?

Arum makes superstars like no other promoter. That's why he has outlasted everybody in the game.

No Arum, probably no Oscar, which means maybe no Floyd or no Pac.

Arum gets a lot of flack and hate. And, rightfully so. He deserves all of it.

But, people let their hate or fanboy-ism cuz' they're blinded by their favorite fighter jizz. That they ignore the good that Arum/Top rank does.

Top Rank actually builds stars, Top Rank has taken fights out of stale Casinos and putting them in stadiums. Top Rank keeps their fighters relevant and active.

Look at all those independent PPV's like "Latin fury" "Pinoy power" etc etc. Do some casual fans might seem as weak PPV or just greediness. But, what people don't understand is that Arum goes into his OWN pocket to make these independent PPV go down. And, sometime he takes losses. But, Arum sees the bigger picture. What he's doing is not only giving his fighters exposure but also keeping them active with these independent PPV's.

Promoters like Dibella, GBP, Shaw, their fighters will sit, the won't fight unless they get TV money/TV dates. That's not a good promoter. If Arum can't get TV money/TV dates. He pretty much says F-U, I will make my own show and keep my fighters active. While the other promoters will say OK and just wait for something to open up and have their fighters sit out. That's not good.

But, again people are such Floyd nuthuggers or Pac/Top rank haters. That they hate on them so much and rightfully so. But, they don't see the actual good things he does as well. And, he never gets credit for it. And, vice versa as well.

[sweetscience18]

Why exactly?

Arum makes superstars like no other promoter. That's why he has outlasted everybody in the game.

No Arum, probably no Oscar, which means maybe no Floyd or no Pac.

Arum gets a lot of flack and hate. And, rightfully so. He deserves all of it.

But, people let their hate or fanboy-ism cuz' they're blinded by their favorite fighter jizz. That they ignore the good that Arum/Top rank does.

Top Rank actually builds stars, Top Rank has taken fights out of stale Casinos and putting them in stadiums. Top Rank keeps their fighters relevant and active.

Look at all those independent PPV's like "Latin fury" "Pinoy power" etc etc. Do some casual fans might seem as weak PPV or just greediness. But, what people don't understand is that Arum goes into his OWN pocket to make these independent PPV go down. And, sometime he takes losses. But, Arum sees the bigger picture. What he's doing is not only giving his fighters exposure but also keeping them active with these independent PPV's.

Promoters like Dibella, GBP, Shaw, their fighters will sit, the won't fight unless they get TV money/TV dates. That's not a good promoter. If Arum can't get TV money/TV dates. He pretty much says F-U, I will make my own show and keep my fighters active. While the other promoters will say OK and just wait for something to open up and have their fighters sit out. That's not good.

But, again people are such Floyd nuthuggers or Pac/Top rank haters. That they hate on them so much and rightfully so. But, they don't see the actual good things he does as well. And, he never gets credit for it. And, vice versa as well.

Haha thats why i kinda felt bad for saying it..Dont get me wrong Bob Arum is a great promoter and handles his business better than anyone, but hes done a ton of dirt to get there, and ofcourse that comes with the territory. I just feel that hes money hungry right now and I cant understand why. Im sure he loves his business because its his baby but when youre robbing the same fighters that work for you it makes me wonder what his motives are. Same with King, i know they helped the sport grow tremendously but I dont know if thats really what they care about..i think both would be completely fine with boxing being trash as long as they still brought in money..luckily for us fans boxing has to be in good shape all the time to bring in alot of money. Plus I wanna see the biggest fight of our era while its still relavent.

I really dont wanna wish death upon anyone
But Arum needs to chill out

[Pinoy4ever]

nothing new

[sweetscience18]

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Absurd.

A childishly ridiculous reason for Pacquiao to kill that fight.

THREE FKN YEARS !!

Unbelievable.



See above.

An absurd, childishly ridiculous reason for Pacquiao to kill that fight.

So absurd in fact, that it cannot be accurate.

And if that is the real reason, the why the 8 ridiculous excuses..... ?

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Team Pacquiao's big ol' bag of ridiculous excuses.....

* " I dont like needles "

* " taking my blood the day before the fight will weaken me "

* " I am too proud to take the test "

* " Floyd is not the commission "

* " taking my blood will affect my training, even 23-days from the fight "

* " I feel too disrespected to take the test "

* " he is bigger than me, so it will weaken me, more than him "

* " USADA are corrupt "

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Yeah i havnt been able to figure out how that makes sense either...somebody insulted me and my people and tried to bully me so O decided not tofight him...