Comments Thread For: Arum on Mayweather-Ortiz, Pacquiao-Marquez, More

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Here's my pick out of the ol' bag of excuses, spoken as if it were from the mouth of Manny:

Floyd Mayweather Jr., the man who has both made racist comments about me and has downright accused me of cheating to attain my life's successes with no proof, will not make me do something I don't have to do. I will not obey his orders after he has done such cowardly actions.

Absurd.

A childishly ridiculous reason for Pacquiao to kill that fight.

THREE FKN YEARS !!

Unbelievable.

Here's how Mayweather can be held responsible for this fight not happening: Publicly accusing him of cheating for his life accomplishments without any proof, Making racist remarks about a man, and also asking him to do something that he doesn't have to do.

See above.

An absurd, childishly ridiculous reason for Pacquiao to kill that fight.

So absurd in fact, that it cannot be accurate.

And if that is the real reason, then why the 8 ridiculous excuses..... ?

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Team Pacquiao's big ol' bag of ridiculous excuses.....

* " I dont like needles "

* " taking my blood the day before the fight will weaken me "

* " I am too proud to take the test "

* " Floyd is not the commission "

* " taking my blood will affect my training, even 23-days from the fight "

* " I feel too disrespected to take the test "

* " he is bigger than me, so it will weaken me, more than him "

* " USADA are corrupt "

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[komandante]

we don't need that Pacquiao v Mayweather anymore. It is very obvious Floyd doesn't want to fight cause he's scared.

[Ben d great]

un educated remarks asking somebody to train where they like, siiillllllyyyyyy

[Ben d great]

we don't need that Pacquiao v Mayweather anymore. It is very obvious Floyd doesn't want to fight cause he's scared.

you are right, the Mayweathers are scared and coward

[texasboi15]

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i bet you cant show that quote doggie.

he may have been referring to this:





and this:

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When did Bob say that? Give me a link.

BesWorldChamp, it is a little bewildering how you can wander up with a goofy expression on your face and ask, "oh really, you say there were no second negotiations"?

This has been done-to-death, but I will try to quickly get you up to speed.

I will make two posts, the first (this one) will unequivocally prove that Bob Arum's "deadline", was nothing but a scam. It will also provide an accurate timeline of events.

The second post will explain the situation with Ross Greenburg, and also cover why this situation happened.

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING TO YOU.....Nobody denies that Bob Arum publicly stated on numerous occasions that he personally negotiated a deal with GBP, who forwarded it to Mayweather for approval. He then placed a two week "deadline" on the table, even going to the trouble of putting a count-down timer on the Top Rank website.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM BEING FORCED TO ADMIT IT.....Then, after Bob Arum's conference call, Richard Schaefer immediately released a statement which forced Arum to admit that neither him nor Ross Greenburg had EVER spoken with anyone from GBP.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

THE DEADLINE WAS NOTHING BUT A SCAM !!

Mayweather-Pacquiao negotiation timeline - Part 1

http://fighthype.com/pages/mayweather-pacquiao-negotiations-timeline-1.html

Mayweather-Pacquiao negotiation timeline - Part 2

http://fighthype.com/pages/mayweather-pacquiao-negotiations-timeline-2.html

Arum lied to the media to obtain funding and a date for the Margarito fight.

Dont kick yourself.

Bob Arum has likely been doing this for longer than you have been alive.

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When did Ross Greenburg state that he started his " negotiations " ?

May 2nd 2010, correct ?

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5412488

Because, 9 days after Greenburg (apparently) started " negotiations ", Bob Arum himself confirmed that NO negotiations were currently underway, and Ellerbe confirmed that there were no negotiations scheduled for the immediate future.....
http://www.examiner.com/x-20066-Pitt...ill-interested

And yet again..... 12 days after Greenburg (apparently) started " negotiations ", Arum again confimed that NO negotiations were currently underway, and Schaefer himself confimed that there were no negotiations scheduled for the immediate future.....
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=69

http://zh-cn.facebook.com/note.php?n...19734301390302

Even as late as 7 weeks after Greenburg (apparently) started " negotiations ", Bob Arum still insisted that GBP were representing Mayweather..... “ Patience, patience, patience ” said Arum, who has been in the thick of negotiations with Golden Boy Promotions (GBP) regarding what is expected to be the richest fight in boxing history.....

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/293759

In fact, the first time that I can recall Greenberg even being mentioned, was during Arum's conference call.

* The first word of Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiations beginning came from Arum’s mouth.

* The “gag order” provision also came from Arum.

* everything we’ve heard about these “negotiations” has come from Arum

I would be on the fence regarding who to believe if Arum had not established a long history of lying about the progress and status of behind-the-scenes fight negotiations. Paul Magno:

http://insidefights.com/2010/06/14/e...pacquiao-bout/

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM BEING FORCED TO ADMIT IT.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

AND, HERE IS WHY HE DID IT.....

Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.

Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.

Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.

He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.

Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.

Pretty predictable.

As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.

The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.

To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.

This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?

So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.

Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.

Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.

Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."

Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.

Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!

Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.

Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.

Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.

Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.

Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellebre are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations."

HAS THE PENNY DROPPED YET?

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Yeah i havnt been able to figure out how that makes sense either...somebody insulted me and my people and tried to bully me so O decided not tofight him...

Absurd

[Laborer]

Until you show me a positive test for PEDs, you can enjoy Manny dominating his opponents.

there's no positive results from proper testing becoz Pac never took one. So far, everyone else is willing to take the test, including Khan if Floyd thinks he's worth the sweat.

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we don't need that Pacquiao v Mayweather anymore. It is very obvious Floyd doesn't want to fight cause he's scared.

You jsut nailed it bro with that argument! No ***** could counter that.