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Do you mean guys like Bert Sugar and Al Bernstein ?
Guys who say that Pac is a truly great fighter, but then both admit that Marquez already beat him twice
Or do you mean organisations like " The Ring ".
The magazine who had Pac ranked as the #1 welter despite the fact that Manny had never actually fought a welterweight at 147, and had only beaten a guy who was well-faded, ranked no higher than 4, at catchweight
Come on man, Pac has not faced a live dog since Marquez, and his recent resume has been a collection of carefully manufactured, masterfully manipulated, exhibition match-up's.
Much as I like to call Floyd " Mayflower ", I am finding it harder and harder to use that nick when referring to him.
The fact is, Mayweather is fighting the guys that Pacquiao will not face, and Manny's 8 different ridiculous reasons for not wanting to fight Mayweather, ooops, I mean..... take the test..... are simply absurd.
* Pac would not fight JMM, so Mayweather did, and he got rubbished for it.
Three years and three divisions later, now that the ENTIRE WORLD knows that JMM cannot hang at welter..... Manny wants to fight Marquez, and his fans think that he is reaching for greatness, and that this will prove "once-and-for-all" who is the better fighter.
* Pac would not fight Shane Mosley, Manny flat out ducked him like a b1tch.
Once again, Mayweather stepped up when Pacquiao would not.
18 months later, when the ENTIRE WORLD could see that Shane was old, shot, and could no longer pull the trigger..... suddenly Pac wants to fight Shane.
* Pac would not fight Victor Ortiz, citing that he was " too green ".
This is despite Ortiz having ****** Manny around in sparring, and him coming off a stellar win against a guy who Pac had on his own short-list
So what happens, yet again, and even in spite of a long layoff, Mayweather steps up and fights the guy who Pacquiao will not face.
Come on man, whats up with that ?
Pac has never fought a welter ranked as high as Ortiz.
When is the last time Pac fought a champion who was young, fast, skilled, hungry, and right on top of his game?
" too green " ?
Pac is the " ****e Girls " of boxing.
LMAO ... my man! I see you that you know the value of "stock answers and posts".
I love talking boxing, but with *******ed peasants its less about boxing and more about wasting time trying to dispel the misconceptions that they cling to.
Pacquiao-"ism" a religious cult. When facts and arithmetic don't count for anything, neither does the discussion/debate.
I'm enjoying re-posting older posts. They are still absolutely relevant, they take less time and if it made point before, there's no reason that it still shouldn't as we write with facts not "hope".Comment
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when did big floyd say that??????Comment
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Nope. Disagree. Makes perfect sense to me. See my signature.Absurd.
A childishly ridiculous reason for Pacquiao to kill that fight.
Nope. Disagree. Racist remarks, Public slander with no proof, and then demands that aren't required. I don't know if I would put up with his nonsense if I were Manny either.See above.
An absurd, childishly ridiculous reason for Pacquiao to kill that fight.
So absurd in fact, that it cannot be accurate.Comment
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The penny hasn't dropped yet. Why wouldn't Greenburg state that he had one conversation with Arum? Why did he say that he in fact has "negotiations" and that he was "carefully trying to put the fight together"?When did Ross Greenburg state that he started his " negotiations " ?
May 2nd 2010, correct ?
Because, 9 days after Greenburg (apparently) started " negotiations ", Bob Arum himself confirmed that NO negotiations were currently underway, and Ellerbe confirmed that there were no negotiations scheduled for the immediate future.....
http://www.examiner.com/x-20066-Pitt...ill-interested
And yet again..... 12 days after Greenburg (apparently) started " negotiations ", Arum again confimed that NO negotiations were currently underway, and Schaefer himself confimed that there were no negotiations scheduled for the immediate future.....
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=69
Even as late as 7 weeks after Greenburg (apparently) started " negotiations ", Bob Arum still insisted that GBP were representing Mayweather..... “ Patience, patience, patience ” said Arum, who has been in the thick of negotiations with Golden Boy Promotions (GBP) regarding what is expected to be the richest fight in boxing history.....
In fact, the first time that I can recall Greenberg even being mentioned, was during Arum's conference call.
* The first word of Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiations beginning came from Arum’s mouth.
* The “gag order” provision also came from Arum.
* everything we’ve heard about these “negotiations” has come from Arum
I would be on the fence regarding who to believe if Arum had not established a long history of lying about the progress and status of behind-the-scenes fight negotiations. Paul Magno:
HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING.....
HERE IS BOB ARUM BEING FORCED TO ADMIT IT.....
AND, HERE IS WHY HE DID IT.....
Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.
Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.
Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.
Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.
He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.
Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.
Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.
That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.
Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.
When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.
Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.
Pretty predictable.
As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.
The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.
To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.
This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?
So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.
Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.
Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.
Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.
That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.
Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.
Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.
In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.
Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.
Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."
Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.
Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.
Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!
Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.
Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.
Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.
Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.
Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellebre are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.
Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations."
HAS THE PENNY DROPPED YET?
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[QUOTE=sweetscience18;10914725]Manny hasn't decided not to fight him. He just won't let Floyd make him do something that he doesn't have to do, because of the:Originally posted by LeadUppercut
Yeah i havnt been able to figure out how that makes sense either...somebody insulted me and my people and tried to bully me so O decided not tofight him...
1) public slander with no proof
2) racist remarksComment
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