Lennox vs Vitali..... The numbers clearly show

[edgarg]

vitali LOST to byrd thus losing his belt..he retired himself 2 times..once against byrd and once when he retired thus losing his belt again

He may have lost the WBC belt, but he won every round, and they made him the EMERITUS CHAMPION, just to show that they really regarded him as STILL being champion, and anytime he wanted to reclaim it he had first "dibs".

[edgarg]

if you yourself think that lennox faced the better opponents why do you think vitali is better? the best fighter he fought was an old lewis he was ahead on the scorecards but lost nonetheless by way of tko. even wlads present cutman said that there was no way for vitali to continue the fight because of an bleeding inside his mouth which made him swallow to much blood.

Mac, I would like to have your reference for this, assuming that WK's present cutman is STITCH DURAN. I had several extemely interesting personal email exchanges with Stitch Duran over this fight and the eyebrow cut, amongst other things. I have written about them before on Boxingscene. I still have them on file.

And THAT is NOT what HE said, and this was in the very first week AFTER the fight. You may be thinking of a different fight, and/or a different cutman.

[edgarg]

Lennox should have rematched Vitali like he promised on live television. Lewis knew he was lucky to get that win by default. He was coming on strong, though, so I guess you gotta take it as it is. . . Lewis has a better resume, but the fact that he didn't rematch vitali really makes that W tainted.

I wouldn't feel comfortable saying that either would beat the other. . . it's lost in the pages of history. . . All Vitali can do is what he's been doing - marching onward whipping ass at age 40. . .

A question which has puzzled me. Why do you and others say that Lewis was "coming on strong" before the fight was called off. I ask because Lewis staggered to his stool after the 6th rd, and I wasn't sure he's come put for the 7th. Also he lost the 6th on all 3 cards, and, I think, the 5th also on at least 2 cards.

On the opposite side, Klitschko was Rarin' to go, and could have gone all 12 rounds, whilst Lewis, according to most of the onlookers, journalists and experts, looked done, with maybe another rd in him. The 3 HBO experts All concurred ....a rare thing for them, as they ususally disagreed.

So.......WHY.....Please.

[Battle*Hardened]

Now i ask how is Lennox the better fighter with the better resume when both have been in the ring 44 times in there career & Vitali utterly destroys him in every category including being down on the canvas & knocked out by one punch 2 less times than him.

Lennox has a victory over Vitali & still has the inferior winning percentage. The myth that Lennox is somehow better than Vitali is just that. You can talk about the comp all you want but at the end of the day that's just a matter of opinion>>> you want actual facts.. you came to the right place!

If all we ever looked at is numbers and stats, Calzhage would be the best SMW ever. Chavez Jr and Saul Alavarez would already be atg's, and SRR wouldn't be the best of all time... Good thing we look at who each guy fights, and Lewis trumps Vitali on that one, not to mention Lewis TKO6 over vitali.

[Battle*Hardened]

A question which has puzzled me. Why do you and others say that Lewis was "coming on strong" before the fight was called off. I ask because Lewis staggered to his stool after the 6th rd, and I wasn't sure he's come put for the 7th. Also he lost the 6th on all 3 cards, and, I think, the 5th also on at least 2 cards.

On the opposite side, Klitschko was Rarin' to go, and could have gone all 12 rounds, whilst Lewis, according to most of the onlookers, journalists and experts, looked done, with maybe another rd in him. The 3 HBO experts All concurred ....a rare thing for them, as they ususally disagreed.

So.......WHY.....Please.

No way in hell Vitali won Rd6. Lewis landed all the relevant shots.

[FrankieBruno]

Lewis> Vitali

revisionists can not change the course of history

vitali fought fat bums, his best fight was againts a out of shape aging lennox - out of his prime and he still lost

we all know lewis would have tko'd vitali in the long run, like he does everyone else, briggs, grant, rahaman,

vitali had a good couple rounds but he clearly lost his steam as the fight went on, he was rocked by a uppercut and held on for dear life before the fight was stopped

LEWIS WON, deal with it

[FrankieBruno]

No way in hell Vitali won Rd6. Lewis landed all the relevant shots.

that upper cut 2.30 took the life out of Vitali...he was tired by round 6

Lewis had the advantage

[edgarg]

Question?... People who argue in vitali's favor, who I enjoy... Do you guys wish the fight should have continued after the six?.

Absolutely, Klitschko was outraged when he found the fight had been stopped....and because of a lie.... that he couldn't see. Don't you recall, his stammering with rage, I can see, I can seee...... And in fact, BOTH eyes were WIDE open, including the left eye, which , according to the dr. who stopped the fight, had severed nerves causing his EYELID to drop so that he, Klitschko could not see at all from his left eye.

This was a pure lie, and the dr. realised his mistake as soon as Klitschko jumped up his eyes bulging with rage. He later made at least 2 more different reasons for stopping the fight.
The item which looked the worst originally, the cut eyebrow, had been sealed and no problem since the 4th rd. One of the reasons the dr gave later was that he stopped it because of the eyebrow cut- 2 rds AFTER it had been put under control. It wasn't even an EYELID cut, which are usually the gruesome reasons for stopping fights.

I even thought that the dr may have had a bet on Lewis, it was all so ridiculous and shady.

Klitschko, although due only to have fought 10 rds with an inferior fighter, was as fit as he always is, and could have gone 20 rounds never minds 12. Lewis, on the other hand, was worn out and finished, couldn't possibly have lasted more than another round with such a raging lion.

[ChopperRead]

Lewis> Vitali

revisionists can not change the course of history

vitali fought fat bums, his best fight was againts a out of shape aging lennox - out of his prime and he still lost

we all know lewis would have tko'd vitali in the long run, like he does everyone else, briggs, grant, rahaman,
vitali had a good couple rounds but he clearly lost his steam as the fight went on, he was rocked by a uppercut and held on for dear life before the fight was stopped

LEWIS WON, deal with it

Shannon Briggs: "Vitali hits harder than anyone I've ever fought, including Lennox Lewis. Vitali hit CRAZY hard."

Lewis also got knocked STONE COLD by BUM HASIM RAHMAN and CRACKHEAD OLIVER MCCALL, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

"he was rocked by a uppercut and held on for dear life before the fight was stopped."

DELUSIONAL. VITALI TOOK THE UPPERCUT WITHOUT FLINCHING AND GAVE SOME BACK IN RETURN AS NOTED BY THE HBO ANNOUNCERS, WHO ALSO NOTED THAT IT WAS LEWIS WHO APPEARED UNABLE TO CONTINUE BEFORE HE FIGHT WAS STOPPED.

LOOK, I GET IT:

HAYE LOST, SO YOU GUYS LAY LOW A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S 1000 LEWIS-KLITSCHKO THREADS, BECAUSE YOU'RE DESPERATE.

THE K-BROS OWN HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING, AND YOU NEED TO GO BACK INTO THE PAST FOR A HERO TO BEAT THEM.

THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, LEWIS WAS PUMMELLED BY VITALI AND THEN RAN CRYING FROM A REMATCH AND RETIRED.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE FLAW IN YOUR HERO.

[Jedi Vader]

Why can't you accept the fact that Vitali Klitschko is the most dominant heavyweight of alltime when all the facts point this Clearly.. There's no discussion here.... we're talking about who was the most dominant heavyweight champion of ALL-time.. let's just forget comp for a second here.. can you CLEARLY see that Vitali has outboxed his foes in a MANNER no other heavyweight has ever done before... the comp is all OPINION based. It can go both ways.. why has NO other fighter dismantled his opponent the way Vitali has FACING the comp Vitali has.

Surely all the alltime greats have faced some comp that's on Vk's resume.... they CERTAINLY didn't do what Vitali did with them & that is get damn near every knockout & clear & succinct shutout on the scoreccards..... lets' hear the excuses as to why he's been the only one to dismantle opponents like this as he's bigger than eveeryone else.. taller.... you guys are so full of baloney & you can't even see it..... you're all programmed to be biased towards him... you're witnessing the Wilt Chamberlain of boxing right before your eyes but are giving him the respect that a Gerry Cooney or Ken Norton requires..

he's been that dominant.. can't explain it any other way & Wilt NEVER GOT penalized for his level of comp back in the day when it was a complete & utter atrocity as to whom he was facing to get his lofty numbers as opposed to the bigs ShaQ was facing years later.

Vitali's comp isn't NEARLY as bad as Wilt's as at least he's facing some of the most physically strong heavyweights of alltime.. you guys all act like Vitali's comp is so much more inferior than all the greats before him. when he's faced fighters that were bigger than the fighters of yesteryear. I don't kn ow what else to say.. you guys are all in denial of how great a fighter Vitali REALLY is... it's a shame..

NO ONE HAS EVER PUT UP THE NUMBERS HE HAS ACROSS THE BOARD IN BOXING HISTORY & YOU JUST BRUSH IT ASIDE WITH THE SAME OLD BORING EXCUSES WHEN IN REALITY VITALI DOES THE EXACT SAME THING IN ANY ERA YOU DEEM GREATER... I'M MORE THAN 100% SURE OF THAT GIVEN WHAT I'VE SEEN.. HE'S LOST TWICE TO FLUKE OCCURENCES WHILE DOMINATING HIS OPPONENTS... YOU WANNA TALK RESUME.. SHOW ME ANYONE WHO HAS HIS & I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT HASN'T BEEN BORN YET.