Fighters like Leonard and Duran woud've had no problem fighting Sergio Martinez

[$tate of Mind]

To no surprise there are Pac fans crying all over this thread like it's meant to attack him specifically although Floyd is mentioned as well. I don't see any Floyd fans crying in this thread. That is the difference between Floyd fans and Pacquiao fans. Pac fans are the most delusional fan base that I've seen in any sport. Just look at what 1 of Pac's biggest fans has to say in my sig.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Leonard moved up to fight Lalonde and Duran moved up to take on challengers such as Hagler and Barkley. This is why neither Floyd nor Manny are even close to their level. Yet so many Pac fans want to argue that he is the GOAT LMAO! I don't really see Floyd fans saying he's better than guys like Leonard and Duran who are certified ATG's. If either Leonard or Duran had the opportunity to fight Martinez best believe they'd take it.

Name 10 regular posters here who are Pac fans that think hes the GOAT.

[$tate of Mind]

Name 10 regular posters here who are Pac fans that think hes the GOAT.

Well off the top of my head I know Hugh Grant thinks he is. Btw, the OP is not just limited to NSB posters.

[prinzemanspopa]

The Point was that Ray Leonard and Arum WORKED TOGETHER...NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ARUM "MAKING RAY LEONARD"...but like I POSTED before....HE DID BUILD UP OSCAR AND PACQUIAO!

Your point was that Bob Arum was Ray Leonard's promoter,and that he's using the same sort of negotiating tactcs with Pacquiao today,that he used while promoting Leonard.As I've repeatedly told you in two seperate threads,Arum was never Leonard's promoter.Leonard never had a promoter.Outside of fights that involved his own fighters,Arum didn't have f^ck all to do with Leonard.



Now,f^ck off,you worthless scrub.

Leonard and Hearnes were two of the biggest WW's the sport has ever seen and just going off the eyeball test, I would have to say both rehydrated to the mid 160's.....so how the fvkk is that even comparable to a small WW like manny who barely rehydrates to the WW limit (147-148).

You're either taking the piss or simply aren't aware that fighters back then didn't have over 24 hours to rehydrate up to nearly 20 pounds.In todays era,Leonard and Hearns could have made 140 quite easily with the amount of time given to rehydrate after the initial weigh-in.

[Blubba]

Leonard moved up to fight Lalonde and Duran moved up to take on challengers such as Hagler and Barkley. This is why neither Floyd nor Manny are even close to their level. Yet so many Pac fans want to argue that he is the GOAT LMAO! I don't really see Floyd fans saying he's better than guys like Leonard and Duran who are certified ATG's. If either Leonard or Duran had the opportunity to fight Martinez best believe they'd take it.

lol

if sergio is so good why dont he move down to 150?

who needs the payday here?

yeh cus if Duran can make £20mil a fight at 147, he's really gonna move up 154. lmao

[Toney616]

What a dumb thread.

Duran was huge as a lightweight and when he wasn't fighting his big fights there he was fighting above 140 in his fights between.

What are you talking about? Those guys fought back in the days of the same day weigh in. They fought at their fighting weight, ie you weigh in at 130 lbs and come the time of the fight you are 130 lbs

Leonard and Hearnes were two of the biggest WW's the sport has ever seen and just going off the eyeball test, I would have to say both rehydrated to the mid 160's.....so how the fvkk is that even comparable to a small WW like manny who barely rehydrates to the WW limit (147-148).

Come fight night they were around 146-147. Think same day weigh in

[The Smash]

*Walks in.*
*Reads first two sentences.*
*Walks back out shaking head.*

[SplitSecond]

YEP! Duran was what...5'6 or 5'7...he fought Leonard who was 5'10 or 5'11 as well as Hearns who was 6'1

don't matter that he lost, his Legacy was already SAFE from what he was able to do at 135, but the man wasn't afraid to test himself AGAINST THE BEST even at a older age

that is why I think it is HILARIOUS when you have these fans who try to rate Pacquaio and Mayweather so high...I don't even think they making out of that 4 Kings ERA (Duran, Leonard, Hagler and Hearns) ALIVE! So how can you rate them higher then anybody from just that ERA ALONE...but when you don't know your HISTORY when it comes to boxing...OF COURSE some of these fans Rankings are going to look CRAZY

or maybe that's the reason he took the risks, cuz like jones, at an advanced age and past it doesnt care about the results of the fights

[SplitSecond]

What are you talking about? Those guys fought back in the days of the same day weigh in. They fought at their fighting weight, ie you weigh in at 130 lbs and come the time of the fight you are 130 lbs

Come fight night they were around 146-147. Think same day weigh in

what's your point? those guys were massive and could afford to move up plenty more classes

duran did **** all past ww and had visibly lost his hunger and was weight affected

asking pacquiao to fight martinez is just plain ******

[Khalid X]

What are you talking about? Those guys fought back in the days of the same day weigh in. They fought at their fighting weight, ie you weigh in at 130 lbs and come the time of the fight you are 130 lbs

Come fight night they were around 146-147. Think same day weigh in

Then why did he have alot of fights, at 140+, when he wasnt fighting his big fights at LW. It's well known that Duran cut a ton of weight prior to his fights because he always ballooned up in between fights.