Who has the better resume Sugar Ray Leonard or Manny Pacquiao?

[IronDanHamza]

Yet you put the list up. And somehow you are credible? More. Than anyone. Apparently.

Ermmm, No I didn't....

I actually did quite the opposite and said that ESPN is NOT a credible source.

Obviously you have me mixed up with someone else.

Hey, I just posted what was commented by the ringside announcers who called the Mugabi fight. The one right before his fight with SRL. It was a brutal fight.

Yes, I saw the Mugabi fight.

He was faded, and showed clear signs of decline.

But again, he wasn't shot.

My point was you can't be *****ing and moaning about DLH being past his prime when it was widely acknowledged Hagler was past his. Specifically the comments were signs of *advanced ring wear and age*

For all DLH fights, he was never in one that was a real slugfest that ends fighters. I mean like Meldrick Taylor vs. Chavez. By comparison, Hagler was in some of those kinds of fights.

Again you have me mixed up since I haven't said that in this thread.

Although, the De La Hoya that Pac fought is so blatently further in decline than Marvin Hagler was. Let's not forget moving down in weight in which he clearly struggled to do.

No. He's not arguably in the same area as Sugar Ray Robinson who spent a lot of his career at middle weight and is the greatest middle weight of all time. That's undoubtedly more insane than saying DLH is an all time great and in the same area as some of these guys.

I don't personally have him ranked above Robinson at MW. I have Hagler at #4 MW.

But to say it isn't arguable he is the best Middleweight of all time is ludacrous. He is globably recognised as argubally the greatest MW in history on any historians lists.

Saying Hagler is argubally the greatest MW of all time is more insane than saying Oscar is a Top 50 ATG fighter?

Ooooooooook.

True. But not all of his fights with Duran were Duran ranked #1. And not all his fights with Hearns had Hearns ranked #1.

No, but what does this mean? I didn't say that nor imply it.

I said, when Leonard fought these 4 fighters (referring to the first time for each) they were ranked #1, which they were.

Oh, so Ring Magazine is acceptable.

*Rolls Eyes*

Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, JMM, Tim Bradely (? yes, the headbutting champion of all), Giovani Segura. 1 loss to Floyd doesn't take him off that list. He was ranked #3 just before the Floyd fight. But I guess some lists are ok and some not.

He's top 10 P4P.

Well what P4P list are you going by?

Shane hasn't won a fight in over 2 years. He rightfully isn't P4P Top 10 on any credible list.

He was #3 when Mayweather fought him because he was coming off arguably his best win. As opposed to now where he is coming off a loss and a terrible showing Vs Mora.

DLH was ranked top 10 P4P when Manny fought him. Now, my opinion, obviously that wasn't true. But Marvin Hagler was not top 5 P4P in 1987. He was declining rapidly (which is part of the reason he retired)

No, he wasn't.

He wasn't even P4P Top 10 when Mayweather fought him.

Let alone when Pacqiauo fought him.

You just ranked Benetiz over everyone whose fought from 1990 on. So yeah. I'm gonna say you suck.

Erm, where did I say that? Why would you just make that up?

I said he is argubally greater than the names you mentioned, which he is.

There are plenty of fighters from the 1990 onwards who are greater than Benitez.

Didn't say he wasn't. If you actually read my entire comment, you'd see I voted for SRL on this thread. My entire point is that your point of view is very one sided and dismissive of the other. And not with concrete reasoning, with the reasoning of quicksand.

It is one sided because we are comparing him to Sugar Ray Leonard.

Not someone like Roy Jones Jr where it's comparable.

Sugar Ray Leonard and Manny Pacqiauo are not comparable.

[Steak]

no he does'nt....you didnt porve anythting with what you just posted.....ray leanard got 6 ginature wins......pac has 10.....

I just listed all the top 10/notable wins that each guy has. Leonard has more. Where the **** are you getting 10 from for Pacquiao?
[QUOTE=Stromprophet;10430981]

Since when is being lineal champ a ranking? It is not. There are lots of bum lineal champs. There are now, there were then. It was the WBA Junior Middleweight.



In the divisions. I hate to disagree. But I'm fairly certain they would have been. (In fact, wasn't DLH ranked in the P4P in ring mag at the time?, could be mistaken) You didn't even have JMM on your list....are you smoking?

I'm sorry. Andy Price was not a top fighter. Larry Bonds wasn't. Kevin Howard wasn't. You're also conveniently ignoring that Manny fought some of those guys multiple times when they were highly ranked.

Ayub Kalule was uncontestedly considered the best in the division, and one of the top 5 best 154lb fighters of all time. He was #1 in the division when Leonard beat him, without a shadow of a doubt. Can you make any case for anyone else at 154 that was better? or are you just grasping at straws?

Cong**** idiot face, I never mentioned Bonds or Howard as quality wins for Leonard!

Mayweather #5 at WW
Shields #3 at WW
Muniz #6 at WW
Gant #4 at WW
Ranzany #6 at WW
Price #10 at WW
Green #8 at WW
Kalule #1 at LMW
Finch #6 at WW
LaLonde #5 at LHW

add in his wins over Hearns, Duranx2, Benitez, and Hagler, and Leonard has just as many top quality wins as Pacquiao does, since Pacquiao has about 13 or so wins over top competition.

Price wasnt Leonard's best win, but he was a quality one. If you didnt know, he actually had wins over both Carlos Palomino and Pipino Cuevas, who went on to rule the division later.

And I DID give credit to Pacquiao for his multiple wins over the same guy. I mentioned he beat Barrera twice. Pacquiao did not beat Marquez twice. either way, I gave him 3 'freebie' wins over whoever you wanted to pretend was a top fighter, and he still has less than Leonard.

[puga]

[QUOTE=Steak;10431135]I just listed all the top 10/notable wins that each guy has. Leonard has more. Where the **** are you getting 10 from for Pacquiao?

Ayub Kalule was uncontestedly considered the best in the division, and one of the top 5 best 154lb fighters of all time. He was #1 in the division when Leonard beat him, without a shadow of a doubt. Can you make any case for anyone else at 154 that was better? or are you just grasping at straws?

Cong**** idiot face, I never mentioned Bonds or Howard as quality wins for Leonard!

Price wasnt Leonard's best win, but he was a quality one. If you didnt know, he actually had wins over both Carlos Palomino and Pipino Cuevas, who went on to rule the division later.

And I DID give credit to Pacquiao for his multiple wins over the same guy. I mentioned he beat Barrera twice. Pacquiao did not beat Marquez twice. either way, I gave him 3 'freebie' wins over whoever you wanted to pretend was a top fighter, and he still has less than Leonard.

no you just listed names of nobody's thats all.....mayweather sr?...seroiusly?.....might aswell list everyone on pac's resume....lol

[puga]

leanard got 4 names on his resume....total of 6 quality wins...3 of those wins were either controversial or againts smaller fighter.......pac>>>>>leonard...

[Steak]

no you just listed names of nobody's thats all.....mayweather sr?...seroiusly?.....might aswell list everyone on pac's resume....lol

Those were the best guys in the division. discrediting those wins is like ignoring Pacquiao's wins over Clottey and Ledwaba.

Leonard's best 5 wins are over Hearns, Duran, Benitez, Hagler, and Kalule. Do you honestly think Pacquiao's best 5 wins stack up against those? seriously?

[Walt Liquor]

leanard got 4 names on his resume....total of 6 quality wins...3 of those wins were either controversial or againts smaller fighter.......pac>>>>>leonard...

Stop talking to this moron scrub fool


Anyone who know anything at all about boxing knows that RIGHT NOW, srl's resume smashes manny's resume. SMASHES IT. Shamshes the *** out of it.

If I beat 4 fighters that were better than any fighter you every beat and lost once to the single best LW of all time that won titles all the way up to 168, I have already beaten pac's resume, YeT if i also beat 2 other guys who are top 5 atg's at their weight class all time I not only shi t on but also **** and defile pac's resume.

Now let's say PAC beats Floyd at 147. Then PAC will have ONE victory that could possibly be considered equal to one of srl's 4 best wins.
Puga, you're a ****in a$$ clown simpleton that needs to leave any sort of credible boxing forum immediately.

After this thread you are going to be known as = yessir, footwork778, mic, Hugh grant and all the other brain dead obviously ****sexual posters bottom feeding like roaches in nsb.

All of you arguments make you a laughingstock, especially three mroronix lamotta thing.

[puga]

Those were the best guys in the division. discrediting those wins is like ignoring Pacquiao's wins over Clottey and Ledwaba.

Leonard's best 5 wins are over Hearns, Duran, Benitez, Hagler, and Kalule. Do you honestly think Pacquiao's best 5 wins stack up against those? seriously?

no they werent....those guys you listed never held a word title...and dont give me that there are more ittles now than when leanoard fought ......coz he fought in diffrent fights where 3 titles were at stake.....kalule is the pac's david diaz......leonard has 4 legit names...6 wins total...youre just pdding it up with listing a bunch of names of nobodies including floyd sr...seriously floyd sr...he was a bum then and now.....pac has 10 , and thats not including his wins over larios, whos way better than anyhting else on leonard's reaume, ledwaba etc.....

[Walt Liquor]

no they werent....those guys you listed never held a word title...and dont give me that there are more ittles now than when leanoard fought ......coz he fought in diffrent fights where 3 titles were at stake.....kalule is the pac's david diaz......leonard has 4 legit names...6 wins total...youre just pdding it up with listing a bunch of names of nobodies including floyd sr...seriously floyd sr...he was a bum then and now.....pac has 10 , and thats not including his wins over larios, whos Away better than anyhting else on leonard's reaume, ledwaba etc.....

Not one thing is correct about this post.

[Steak]

no they werent....those guys you listed never held a word title...and dont give me that there are more ittles now than when leanoard fought ......coz he fought in diffrent fights where 3 titles were at stake.....kalule is the pac's david diaz......leonard has 4 legit names...6 wins total...youre just pdding it up with listing a bunch of names of nobodies including floyd sr...seriously floyd sr...he was a bum then and now.....pac has 10 , and thats not including his wins over larios, whos way better than anyhting else on leonard's reaume, ledwaba etc.....

David Diaz=Ayub Kalule?!

ok, I give up trying to teach you.

fact is, Pacquiao's best 5 wins dont hold a candle to Leonard's 5 best, and Leonard beat just as much or more top ten competition.

oh, and there were only two titles that existed during Leonard's reign. there are literally 6 titles at 154lbs today, and thats ignoring the lineal title too.

[puga]

Stop talking to this moron scrub fool


Anyone who know anything at all about boxing knows that RIGHT NOW, srl's resume smashes manny's resume. SMASHES IT. Shamshes the *** out of it.

If I beat 4 fighters that were better than any fighter you every beat and lost once to the single best LW of all time that won titles all the way up to 168, I have already beaten pac's resume, YeT if i also beat 2 other guys who are top 5 atg's at their weight class all time I not only shi t on but also **** and defile pac's resume.

Now let's say PAC beats Floyd at 147. Then PAC will have ONE victory that could possibly be considered equal to one of srl's 4 best wins.
Puga, you're a ****in a$$ clown simpleton that needs to leave any sort of credible boxing forum immediately.

After this thread you are going to be known as = yessir, footwork778, mic, Hugh grant and all the other brain dead obviously ****sexual posters bottom feeding like roaches in nsb.

All of you arguments make you a laughingstock, especially three mroronix lamotta thing.

why are you talking to me then you mother****ing ******?....do you not consder roy jones who says pac's top 3 atg, bert sugar who rated pac as the greates soutpaw and in the top ten 5 fights ago , emmmaunuel stwrad, colin hart etc as smomeone who know anything about boxing?....please mofo...them guys has more cred than your piece of **** mother****ing ass..all you do is talk ****...