Who has the better resume Sugar Ray Leonard or Manny Pacquiao?

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titles and awards.....

division titles:
pac- 8(only man to do it)....srl -5
if you dont want to include pac's sww title then you shoul'dnt include leoard's lh title ....leonard won two div titles in one fight which is ridiculous to say the least...

fighter of the year award:
pac -3 ..... leonard - 2

lineal div titles:

pac - 4 (only man to do it)....leonard - not more than 3

div titles out of the original 8

pac -4....srl - 3

both won fighter of the decade...

again pac >>>>>srl...

Pac has not fought an elite WW without them coming of terrible losses or he has conditions on them that handicap his opponents , his WW titles and JMW titles may as well have come out of a Weeties Packet .

All you fools care about is names and numbers , there is a thing called Prime and fair fight , Pac fans totally ignore them .

at 147 with no CW , Duran Hearns Benetiz Leonard all beat Pac , Manny is plastic continually manipulating WW fights to his advantage , ducking and waiting for them to show old , big rings ,glove size outside of division , its a never ending story and thats not even counting Manny ducking Floyd because of a PEDS test .

PLASTIC PAC .

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I dont think SRL would dominate Pacs opponents like Pac did. Thats why after Pac destroyed Margarito people were saying its quite possible Pac is the GOAT now.

Look at it this way: Sugar Shane Mosley dominated Margarito more impressively than Pacquiao did, and Sugar Ray Leonard is better in almost ever category than Mosley. You don't think SRL would dominate guys like a damaged Cotto, a C-level Diaz and a completely inactive Clottey? C'mon now.

On the other hand, most people can see Pac would be favoured of beating Duran, Benitez, and Hearns as well.

You may be one of the greatest joke alias' this site has seen. Seriously, LOL. Pacquiao wouldn't be favoured over any of those guys.

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I'd love for someone to explain to me how Pacquiao doesn't get KTFO inside of 4 rounds by Hearns. His defense is flat out not good enough to compete with a guy with 11 inches of reach on him, great hand speed, and once punch KO power in his right hand.

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Hagler and Hearns aren't that highly posted on all time lists. In fact, Morales, JMM, Berrerra are right behind those two.

I have an issue with Hagler being posted highly on there (a lot of people put him higher than Hearns, which is ridiculous), the fact that he retired early and he only fought Hearns 1X, Duran 1X, and Leonard 1X. No rematches?

For all the clamor most people fail to acknowledge there was only *1* trilogy among all those fights against each other. Yes, those guys fought each other, but they did not fight trilogies. In fact, most of them never fought rematches.




4 fighters? Hearns, Duran, Leonard, Hagler...yeah, 4.

There are some hall of famers in this era too.

Shane Mosely, De La Hoya, Mayweather, JMM, MAB, Morales, Manny.

And Manny is set to fight the 5th of those guys. I just don't think it's as clear cut, plus Manny is fighting some pretty high level competition outside of HOF fighters as well.

Cotto, multiple division champ, Margarito, multiple division champ, Hatton, multiple division champ.

Yes they are.

And those fighters are not 'right behind' them either.

Benitez is a Hall of famer....So that's 5. 5 in which are regarded significantly higher the ones Pac has fought. Let's not forget every HOF he fought and beat were considered #1 in the respective division. Unlike Pacqiauo.

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hugh grant and baracuda (puga) are on one in this thread.

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I mean seriously, can anyone see Pacquiao picking up a win against Hearns? He'd get KO'd inside of 4 rounds. What about the Duran that took the title from SRL? Can anyone honestly say Pacquiao survives that fight?

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On Hearns, at 147 prime, I agree. But I would say that has more to do with the unique features of Hearns and the fact that SRL was naturally a much bigger fighter and could take punches at 147 like he took from Hearns.

But given SRLs style, at 147/154 or a catch weight, that would be interesting. And since when was Duran a powerhouse KO fighter? He KOs Manny?

Look over Duran's career. He didn't KO people once he got to elite competition.

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On Hearns, at 147 prime, I agree. But I would say that has more to do with the unique features of Hearns and the fact that SRL was naturally a much bigger fighter and could take punches at 147 like he took from Hearns.

But given SRLs style, at 147/154 or a catch weight, that would be interesting. And since when was Duran a powerhouse KO fighter? He KOs Manny?

Look over Duran's career. He didn't KO people once he got to elite competition.

I based that more on the fact that Manny is a complete bum defensively and would take enough shots that it wouldn't matter. I love watching Manny fight, but if he tried his "take one, give two" garbage against Duran, he would end up on the canvas. Hell, I don't have a link to the interview on ESPN, but even Roach said Duran beats Manny at 140.

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hugh grant and baracuda (puga) are on one in this thread.

no doubt.....if you read our posts , noone really was able to refute it....all they did was attack our characters.....and here you are doing the exact damn nonsense you usually do....lol...and i wish baracuda was here!

[Larry the boss]

srl>>>>floyd,manny

[Stromprophet]

And those fighters are not 'right behind' them either.

De La Hoya is commonly ranked above both Hagler and Hearns. Mosely is ranked around the same area. Mayweather ranked slightly lower. Personally I think Hagler is vastly over rated. He retired early, and he didn't fight enough competition.

JMM, MAB, Morales are all ranked in the 40s of the top 50 fighters of all time. Hearns and Hagler are ranked in the 30s.

Duran is ranked so very highly and very deservedly so above SRL in most lists. IMO SRL is somewhat over rated. I'd put him around 15 or 20 all time.

Benitez is a Hall of famer....So that's 5. 5 in which are regarded significantly higher the ones Pac has fought. Let's not forget every HOF he fought and beat were considered #1 in the respective division. Unlike Pacqiauo.

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Duran wasn't. Duran took the title from him. So how could he be #1? Leonard and Hearns were considered the top 2 in their division. So, how is that different than #1 or #2 of any division fighting eachother?

And if we're counting HOF fights. Manny has more because he has fought these guys more than once. Something SRL rarely did.

My point is it's not that clear cut. To say it is and just dismiss the argument is really disingenuous.

Duran is ranked much higher than SRL because Duran fought way more competition and fought much longer at a high level. Manny falls under that same category (though not as prolific as Duran).