Who has the better resume Sugar Ray Leonard or Manny Pacquiao?

[VolumePuncher]

If SRL was so good, and it was supposed to be such a good era, how come Floyd senior isnt that impressed with SRL haven even fought him? He said Flloyd would beat him.

Now you are going to say Floyd senior would say that wont you? Saying SRL would beat Pacs opponents as good as Pac is an OPINION. I deal with facts. Pac is far more dominant than SRL.

Good for Floyd senior, no one gives a **** what he has to say. Fact is, Pacquiao hasn't beaten a single opponent on the level of Duran, Hearns, or Hagler. The only way he could possibly get that distinction is if he were to beat Mayweather, and even that's debatable.

[benjispikkie]

Easily Sugar Ray

[hugh grant]

so now floyd senior is a knowledgeable boxing fan

floyd snr also has the opinion pacs on ped's and isnt very good as well as fights amateurish. should we believe that line of thought as well? he says much worse things about pac then srl ... it doesnt make them true and is no way relevant

Dont change the subject. Senior fought SRL and wasnt impressed that much.
He never fought Pac but thinks he s so good hes on roids. I never heard Senior accuse SRL of taking PEDs.

[IronDanHamza]

Dont change the subject. Senior fought SRL and wasnt impressed that much.
He never fought Pac but thinks he s so good hes on roids. I never heard Senior accuse SRL of taking PEDs.

Why are you using Floyd Mayweather Sr's word as gospel when it suits you?

You're not doing yourself any favours.

Ray Leonard comfortably dominated Floyd Mayweather Sr also, by the way.

[puga]

Did you miss the first part of what I said, "dumb dumb"? SRL fought in the better era and beat better top end competition. No one on Pacquiao's resume can be reasonably ranked higher than Duran, Hearns, or Hagler, all of which SRL got W's over. The only reason I added the match-up comparisons is to further illustrate why Pacquiao is not better, because he would've had virtually no chance at beating the guys SRL did.

I swear, how hard is this to understand? I hate SRL with a passion and even I can say that he has the better resume and was also the better fighter.

no i did not...but again i dont agree....let me do it like youre doing it...lamotta who fought in the better era and tougher compettion than srl and his win over ray robinson is better than anything srl done in his whole carrer but it does'nt mean he is greater.... why?...becuase srl has done more than him like pac has done more than srl...

one more thing, i dont give a **** if you hate srl or love watching paquaio.... coz that does'nt have anthying to do with the topic...

[Stromprophet]

Starting off with Hagler, so because he didn't have any Trilogies he shouldn't be rated very High All Times? lol I seriously doubt guys like Hearns was all that interested in fight Hagler again especially after that fight.

I didn't say because he didn't fight trilogies. I said the guys in that era did not fight each other but 1 time usually.

On him I said his short career. Of those 4 fighters, he's the only one who only fought the others 1 time each, so he also does not have as many HOF fights. And to see him ranked above Hearns is ridiculous IMO (if you look over all of Hearns accomplishments in his career).

Of Course everyone wanted to see him fight Leonard again, but he was clearly frustrated with the decision of the 1st Fight and decided to retire.

That directly impacts all time rankings. He retired early. Longevity has something to do with all time rankings, as well as the # of fights you have had. Usually the more fights, the more likely you will have had some good and great competition in there.

But I don't think because he didn't have many Trilogies he shouldn't be rated as high All Times.

I didn't say because of that he shouldn't be. I said for all the clamor of that era, it's interesting there was only 1 trilogy among them and only 1 rematch. But trilogies are part of longevity, greatness, accomplishment.

BUT HOW MANY ALL TIME GREATS? Hall Of Famers and ALL TIME GREATS are NOT THE SAME THING! It is many Hall Of Famers who are not rated very high All Times and are not on most Top 50-100 Rankings. Other then Morales and Antonio Barrera and MAYBE JMM and Oscar...who else would you consider "All Time Greats" and guys that could end up on a All Time Greats Ranking when their career is over??? And HOW HIGH WOULD THEY BE RANKED??? I certainly don't see them being higher then Duran, Hagler or Hearns.

You say this with the caps, but look at Leonard's competition outside of the big 3 opponents.

Donny Lalonde? Kevin Howard? Ayub Kalule? David Greene? Bruce Finch? Larry Bonds? Granted, some of these guys held 1 belt (some of them had none). But this was during SRL prime. (None of those guys are HOF, or all time greats).

The only great fighter on SRL list outside of those guys was Wilfred Benitez.

Of course by the same token Manny has fought some guys....

Héctor Velázquez, Óscar Larios, David Díaz, Jorge Solís, Fahsan Por Thawatchai. Who while maybe title holders, obviously aren't all time greats.

Though he has fought some guys who I think could end up being something or not. Hatton held multiple weight belts, as does Cotto, Margarito. And Clottey could yet prove to be something.

He only truly fought 4 HOF guys. Manny has fought 4 true HOF guys about to be 5 HOF fighters. JMM, Morales, MAB, DLH, Mosely will all be in the Boxing HOF.

Me entire point is it is not as clear cut an argument. And we often romanticize greats. Outside the 4 HOF fighters, Sugar Ray (I don't believe from looking) did not fight one multiple weight division belt holder. I mean, it's actually kinda shocking how light the competition was outside of these other HOF fighters and if you look at some of the fights, how much trouble some of these guys gave SRL who were not very good.

[hugh grant]

Me entire point is it is not as clear cut an argument. And we often romanticize greats. Outside the 4 HOF fighters, Sugar Ray (I don't believe from looking) did not fight one multiple weight division belt holder. I mean, it's actually kinda shocking how light the competition was outside of these other HOF fighters and if you look at some of the fights, how much trouble some of these guys gave SRL who were not very good.

Yes we romanticise the Duran, SRL, Hagler, hearns era, because colour tv just came into our homes and they looked so colourful on the screen. And boxing was popular viewing at this time. So they are a tad overated, and any names associated with them get viewed threw rose coloured specs as well. Benitez comes to mind.
SRL in fantasy fights is supposed to stop Pac, yet no names took SRL the distance on many occasions. Hearns stopped duran, so they assume he would stop Pac in 2 rounds as well. Pac has shown me enough about his chin for me to not automatically assume Hearns stops him. Pac outboxes Hearns.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Yes we romanticise the Duran, SRL, Hagler, hearns era, because colour tv just came into our homes and they looked so colourful on the screen. And boxing was popular viewing at this time. So they are a tad overated, and any names associated with them get viewed threw rose coloured specs as well. Benitez comes to mind.

Benitez comes to mind? Huh? Dude your lack of knowledge on the rich history of boxing is alarming.

[Walt Liquor]

**** you...state your case if you have one mother****er...but til then stfu...

I saw your case. You're a complete joke, you have zero credibility.

Go post on a site for dudes that worship other dudes.

You are pathetic.

[puga]

srl was so great he only have 4 names worth talking about on his resume....