Welterweight ring rankings may 2009, must read

[jrosales13]

I dont know about that.. Marg and Mosley are a lot heavy handed compared to the pity patters that you have at 140. Add to that Mosley and Marg height and reach, would likely offset any boxing that Ortiz, Bradley and Berto would throw at them, assuming that they even try to outbox Mosley and Marg. Ofcourse they can always make the fight a stinker, the way Mora did the last time, but given the type of fighters Ortiz, Bradley, and Berto are, I dont think they would.

Not everybody fights like Floyd. Sooner or later these guys are goin' to connect (and a lot more frequent), and we will see how Ortiz, Bradley and Berto's chin can hold up on successive punches coming from a legitimate 147 lb fighter.

Mora doesn't fight like Floyd either and we saw how garbage Shane looked in that fight.

This kind of reminds me like the whole Oscar debate a few years ago. When everybody still felt he was dangerous. Even though he was clearly done. But, people thought since only elite fighters had beaten him that somehow he still had something left.

[jrosales13]

current versions of margo and shane ... ya id favor bradley. especially considering that margo is coming off another ass beating and already looked close to done before pac got thru with him. and shanes got nthing left but his punch ... bradley's def an overachiever and his intangibles are his best attributes, but hes not a bad boxer either ...

I agree, I think people still live off yesteryear. That they hear the name Margarito and Mosley and just because of what they did in the past they automatically give them the benefit of the doubt now.

But, really both fighters are just done in the top level. They really have nothing left. They just not that good anymore.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

But, in the same token Marg doesn't have anything in his arsenal right now that could cause Bradley to worry.

Mosley has power still but can't pull the trigger fast enough nor really can fight for more than a few rounds it seems.

Even if you say that, what does Bradley do to beat either of them?

[jrosales13]

Even if you say that, what does Bradley do to beat either of them?

I think he can out point both. He's not a great boxer, not a great counter puncher but he's not bad in those departments either man. He can also outwork and out hustle both at this stage..

Like I said he doesn't do anything great but he does everything good. And, his intangibles is what sets him apart.

[mikemurni]

Mora doesn't fight like Floyd either and we saw how garbage Shane looked in that fight.

This kind of reminds me like the whole Oscar debate a few years ago. When everybody still felt he was dangerous. Even though he was clearly done. But, people thought since only elite fighters had beaten him that somehow he still had something left.

Mora made the fight a stinker thats why the fight was a draw. Bradley, Ortiz are not those type of fighters especially Ortiz, who likes to fight in the inside and slug it out.

Your analogy on Oscar-Pac doesnt even make sense because Oscar was a favorite for a different reason. Oscar was favored because people perceived Pac as this flyweight fighting at a featherweight who is moving 2 division up to fight at WW.

Just because Pac and Floyd were able to make Mosley, and co. look ordinary, doesnt mean any one can do the same. Mora knew that apparently, and made the fight a stinker, instead of engaging them head on.

[jrosales13]

Mora made the fight a stinker thats why the fight was a draw. Bradley, Ortiz are not those type of fighters especially Ortiz, who likes to fight in the inside and slug it out.

Your analogy on Oscar-Pac doesnt even make sense because Oscar was a favorite for a different reason. Oscar was favored because people perceived Pac as this flyweight fighting at a featherweight who is moving 2 division up to fight at WW.

Just because Pac and Floyd were able to make Mosley, and co. look ordinary, doesnt mean any one can do the same. Mora knew that apparently, and made the fight a stinker, instead of engaging them head on.

I didn't make an Oscar-Pac analogy. Well kind of but not really. My thing was Oscar in general didn't matter if he was fighting Pac, Floyd, Hop whoever people always felt he had a chance just because he only lost to elite fighters. But, he was done as a fighter. Yes he could still beat ruined fighters but not anybody top prime fighter.

And, just because Pac and Floyd did it doesn't mean that they're the only ones who can.

[mikemurni]

I didn't make an Oscar-Pac analogy. Well kind of but not really. My thing was Oscar in general didn't matter if he was fighting Pac, Floyd, Hop whoever people always felt he had a chance just because he only lost to elite fighters. But, he was done as a fighter. Yes he could still beat ruined fighters but not anybody top prime fighter.

And, just because Pac and Floyd did it doesn't mean that they're the only ones who can.

Exactly that why like I said the fight is 50/50 going in. Bradley and co. are not going to be heavy favorites (in fact they may even be underdogs), and people who thought they would be is up for a rude awakening.

[Khalid X]

May 2009.....

To be fair, in May 2009 Manny had a fight signed (Ricky Hatton) and once that was over he proceeded to fight every guy listed 1-5. You act like he could have fought them all at once.

Let's take 168 for example. Nov 2009 all of those guys were either undefeated, or at most, had one loss on their resume. Let's say one guy was able to beat the other fighters and emerge as the top guy. Well more than likely it would take 2 years plus and in that time, some of those guys were bound to lose. If Ward wins the super six, beats Bute and Dirrell, would you really gripe about the fact that his Froch win came after Kessler beat him, his Abraham win after Froch and Dirrell shut him....just to name a few.

I say this because people don't realize how hard it is to catch someone when their at their absolute best. Sure he could have fought Shane over Cotto, but It's really hard to argue which of those two fighters were better at the time.

Manny did what he had to do and if he beats Floyd and Ortiz...then he pretty much cleaned out the WW division (which would be an impressive feat in itself).

[Khalid X]

Even if you say that, what does Bradley do to beat either of them?

Bradley can't beat Margarito. That is a foolish thing to say. In fact Bradley is good, but he isn't anything special as a fighter. Nothing in Bradley's game would give Margarito problems and when you add to the fact he doesn't have any power, Margarito would have a field day with him.

[ThePrince]

I dont see how he beats either. Hes not a good enough boxer to outbox them. Doesnt have anything to keep them off.

Exactly.

Margarito is a matchup nightmare for Bradley. Tim does a lot of things well but at his core he's a pressure fighter. So basically you'd have a small, feather-fisted, decent but not great stamina pressure fighter taking on a massive, heavy-hitting, iron jawed, superb stamina pressure fighter. If a broken face didn't stop margarito from constantly coming forward and throwing bombs- head butts won't do the trick.

If Bradley signs with top rank next month maybe we'll see him take on those guys. But he'd be a shoe-in to fight Manny either in the fall or next spring.