Welterweight ring rankings may 2009, must read

[jrosales13]

I agree with this. Pac is slowly cleaning out the WW division. There was a thread here before containing a list of fighters that would beat Pac at 147. It contained all those fighters plus Floyd, Berto, and Williams. This was a thread after the Hatton fight. That list is pretty much cleaned out. Because I think he can beat Berto and Ortiz. You can even throw Bradley's name too.

Its a 50/50 fight with Williams and Floyd though.

He's not really cleaning it out though. Because, the timing it just not right. He didn't clean out Mosley Floyd did that. He didn't clean out Berto Ortiz did that.

Really he just beat 2 top rated WWs, Cotto and Clottey. That's not really cleaning out the division.

And, the Floyd fight is not happening anytime soon, the Ortiz fight won't happen. So he's not cleaning nothing out.

The division is cleaning out itself cuz' it's so damn weak.

[Ryannn]

Nah but seriously, I give Pac credit for most of those wins. Some of the timing wasnt really his fault.

But fighting Shane Mosley now is inexcusable.

pacquiao really deserves credit for those fights. except for mosley.

mosley has absolutely nothing to offer at this point

[Double_L]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258285&page=4

Stealing another thread's idea and then claiming it as your own... lame.

[mikemurni]

He's not really cleaning it out though. Because, the timing it just not right. He didn't clean out Mosley Floyd did that. He didn't clean out Berto Ortiz did that.

Really he just beat 2 top rated WWs, Cotto and Clottey. That's not really cleaning out the division.

And, the Floyd fight is not happening anytime soon, the Ortiz fight won't happen. So he's not cleaning nothing out.

The division is cleaning out itself cuz' it's so damn weak.

Mosley, and Marg are moving down the rankings because they were losing against Pac, and Floyd, and other fighters who are a on that list. Their basically changing positions because they were losing and winning against each other with only Pac and Floyd being undefeated.

Case in point, you can inject new fighters (whether from LWW like Bradley or Ortiz, or upcoming WW like Alvarez or Berto) in that rankings and there is still no guarantee that they can beat Mosley and Marg or any of the top WW's that have light up that division since 2009.

[Ryannn]

to be fair though, those guys lost to each other. aside from shane that is. so i don't know why them "losing" to other top fighters make them "shot"

clottey lost to cotto
cotto lost to margarito
margarito lost to shane
shane lost to cotto....... and to floyd.... and drew with mora.

so yeah, i still don't like the idea of pac fighting shane at this point

[jrosales13]

Mosley, and Marg are moving down the rankings because they were losing against Cotto, Pac, and Floyd. Fighters who are also ranked highly in the WW. Their basically changing positions because they were losing and winning against each other with only Pac and Floyd being undefeated.

Case in point, you can inject new fighters (whether from LWW like Bradley or Ortiz, or upcoming WW like Alvarez or Berto) in that rankings and there is still no guarantee that they can beat Mosley and Marg or any of the top WW's that have light up that division since 2009.

Or because, they were getting suspended for a year, having 16 month layoff. But, more so than losing and winning. It's performance, F'ing ey.

*sigh*

[Khalid X]

But, again Top Rank don't look so much at the names but the version of the fighter.

What version are we talking about?

If we talking about Cotto 2009 or earlier, Margarito 2008 or earlier then OK. of course Bradley can't compete against these WWs.

But, if we're talking about 147 against the likes of today's version of Clottey, Cotto, Margarito. Then yes Bradley can compete.

And, Bradley could compete with any version of Clottey. It's not only about the tools but also the intangibles and Clottey is a mental midget always has been. He's a good loser and he will find a way to lose. Bradley is a winner he will find a way to win.

Well to be honest, I wasn't being serious about that Clottey remark. Bradley may be able to beat him but I feel it would be close. Margarito and Cotto, even at this stage of their career beats this guy. Bradley is just a solid fighter who really doesn't do one thing great. Going up to 147 against big guys, he just doesn't have the power, speed etc to beat those guys.

[jrosales13]

to be fair though, those guys lost to each other. aside from shane that is. so i don't know why them "losing" to other top fighters make them "shot"

clottey lost to cotto
cotto lost to margarito
margarito lost to shane
shane lost to cotto....... and to floyd.... and drew with mora.

so yeah, i still don't like the idea of pac fighting shane at this point

It's not about losing. Cotto fight is fine, Clottey fight is fine. Credit to Pac for that.

But, now Marg. What had Marg done in the last 2 years? Even his fight with Garcia, he won a wide decision. But, did he really impress? Was his performance up to par? Did you see that and automatically think the old Marg was back?

Lets go with Mosley. What has Mosley done since Marg thats been impressive? Land 2 right hands against Floyd? That's it.

It's not the losing that makes you shot. But, it's the way you perform. So taking performance into account there is no way that Marg or Mosley belonged/belongs in the ring with Pac.

[mikemurni]

Or because, they were getting suspended for a year, having 16 month layoff. But, more so than losing and winning. It's performance, F'ing ey.

*sigh*

If you think that these new fighters coming out from LWW or those up and coming WW's can displace anyone from that list then I might believe you. But I dont think they could. They haven't really shown that they even need to be mentioned in the same breath with those guys on that list. And I havent even included Williams (if he can make 147), Floyd, and Pac who is probably going to beat them all.

[Khalid X]

He's not really cleaning it out though. Because, the timing it just not right. He didn't clean out Mosley Floyd did that. He didn't clean out Berto Ortiz did that.

Really he just beat 2 top rated WWs, Cotto and Clottey. That's not really cleaning out the division.

And, the Floyd fight is not happening anytime soon, the Ortiz fight won't happen. So he's not cleaning nothing out.

The division is cleaning out itself cuz' it's so damn weak.

So if Ward beats all the top SMW, your gonna discredit a lot of his wins due to other top 168 beating those guys before he did?

So basically his win over Kessler, Abraham, Miranda and (while I doubt it) Carl Froch mean nothing due to those guys losing before he got to them?

What kinda logic is that?