Welterweight ring rankings may 2009, must read

[jrosales13]

Well to be honest, I wasn't being serious about that Clottey remark. Bradley may be able to beat him but I feel it would be close. Margarito and Cotto, even at this stage of their career beats this guy. Bradley is just a solid fighter who really doesn't do one thing great. Going up to 147 against big guys, he just doesn't have the power, speed etc to beat those guys.

I agree that Bradley doesn't do one thing great. No doubt about that, but he's good in everything.

These versions of Marg and Cotto don't do one thing great either. They're a shell of their former self.

However, I would favor that version of Cotto that Pac fought over Bradley. I'm not so sure about that version of Marg that Pac fought

[jrosales13]

So if Ward beats all the top SMW, your gonna discredit a lot of his wins due to other top 168 beating those guys before he did?

So basically his win over Kessler, Abraham, Miranda and (while I doubt it) Carl Froch mean nothing due to those guys losing before he got to them?

What kinda logic is that?

It's not about who but when.

The Kessler is a good win cuz' of at the time he beat him.

The Miranda win? Not so much.

The AA win? AA only has 2 solid wins at 168 and that is Taylor and Miranda both fighters who have done nothing at 168 or am I wrong? counting that AA has losses to Dirrell and Froch at 168 I wouldn't really consider him a top fighter at 168 right now, would you?

However, if Froch beats Johnson and then Ward beats Froch, then if Bute still doing his thing and Ward beats Bute, and Dirrell gets in the ring and wins and Ward beats him.

Then yes he would have cleaned out the division.

However, if Johnson beats Froch, and Ward doesn't fight Johnson, pulls out the tourney, and then Froch has a questionable fight and then Ward fights Froch and beats him, Bute and Dirrell losses and look like ish in other fights and then Ward beats them. Then no, Ward is not cleaning out the division.

What's wrong with that logic?

[AssasinKing]

Antonio margarito rained down to 150 for a 154 belt

cotto drained down aswell coming off a series of Kneels....

also the clottey fight was clearly fixed IMO

Ive seen some haters, but you have to be the best haha

Cotto "drained" LOL...he weighed in at 145 for the previous 2 fights.....

Margarito "drained" - how was he drained, if anything he was permitted an extra 3 pounds, its just it was for a belt at 154....

Anyway pac deserves props from every boxing fan, any1 that discredits him is a joke

[lfc19titles]

haters can hate but facts speak for themselves

[lfc19titles]

seems like *****s need education

[T.Horton]

Floyd should've had wins over them years before Pac
And he wonders why Manny gets all the credit.

this is the bottom-line!

[lfc19titles]

so all have been defeated now...what a warrior

[ThePrince]

Yeah, that's nice and all, clearing out the division and what not BUT right now he's ducking Ortiz, Berto, Senchenko, and Zaveck... you know, the premier welters of their era.

Stop ducking Manny, stop ducking

[Maidana vs Rios]

Yeah, that's nice and all, clearing out the division and what not BUT right now he's ducking Ortiz, Berto, Senchenko, and Zaveck... you know, the premier welters of their era.

Stop ducking Manny, stop ducking

Just stop running. Stop running out there Manny.

[| THE KING |]

But but but.. he needs to clean out the div.. wait.. no he needs to go back down to 135 to fight JMM.. i mean he needs to go to 160 to fight Martinez.. They are all cherry picked.. fixed fights.. plus Pacroid is taking steroids.. and the judges are in Arums pocket.. and he's weight draining his opponents.