better resume..hopkins,pacman

[jrosales13]

Anyways if people really think Tito is a greater fighter than Barrera than hey more power to you. I'm very happy you believe that

[Larry the boss]

Anyways if people really think Tito is a greater fighter than Barrera than hey more power to you. I'm very happy you believe that

both are great fighters sure fire hof's and great wins imo....cant take anything from either

[Guest]

Of course.

God forbid he ever made the huge leap up in weight from 112 to 115, a total of 3 pounds, to go for another world title at a higher weight class, and become a multi-weight-division champion.

Nah Sugar Ray Robinson demonstrated that this is a bad idea when he tried for a Light-Heavyweight belt, having moved up from Middleweight and failed. Nah Pongsaklek Wonjongkam seems like a Intelligent cat, you can tell by his name. He learned from past history.

HMMM yes I am dismissing it (Obviously) and I gave specific reasons for doing so.

Sheesh, some people are slow.

People should love Wongjongkam for ****ing up Kameda's plans.

A veteran, an underdog, and he still beat his azz in Japan too.

Nobody should hate on Pongsalek cuz he taught that ****** hype job a lesson, and he was old when he did it.

[IronDanHamza]

Of course.

God forbid he ever made the huge leap up in weight from 112 to 115, a total of 3 pounds, to go for another world title at a higher weight class, and become a multi-weight-division champion.

Nah Sugar Ray Robinson demonstrated that this is a bad idea when he tried for a Light-Heavyweight belt, having moved up from Middleweight and failed. Nah Pongsaklek Wonjongkam seems like a Intelligent cat, you can tell by his name. He learned from past history.

Well, Robinson was past his prime and insanely outweighed Vs. a superb fighter in Joey Maxim AND was winning the fight until the stoppage. But yeah that's another story.

Wonjongkam has stayed at 1 weight class. So what?

[bojangles1987]

Yeah ok, history proves that and you didn't give any specifics of history.

But lets throw in definitive statements like "It's simply easier to be 160 punds and put on 8 to move up to 168", with nothing to back it up.

Please come back when your debating skills improve a little.


Auf Wiedersehen

So you want me to do your research for you? No thanks, do it yourself. It's basic human physiology.

[cupocity303]

Yea because, that doesn't happen in the higher weights.

But, anyways it could be cuz' of the bone density that prevents them also no? I mean there have been fighters who have tried to move over 3 divisions and are just not successful at the lower weights. Not just a few but a very vast majority. There have only been a handful who have been successful like McLarnin, Pac, Donaire, Duran. But, then after that is very rare. And, yes a lot have tried and failed more so than not. Maybe the 3 or 4 pounds difference for their bone structure is equivalent to the 6 or 7 pounds for the bigger guys. Could that no be? Really?

I doubt it. If you look at from a Walk Around weight Vs Fighting Weight perspective.

If all that separates three weight classes is 7 pounds, it's safe to assume that all these guys are close to each others walk around weight. Unless you're telling me that these fighters walk around weight is their fighting weight. Which means a Bantamweight would be at the weight limit all year round, and a Super-Bantam and Featherweight the same.

At 147-154-160-175, complete difference. I doubt that a 154 guys walks around at the same weight a life long Welterweight does. A 160 pounder is probably a 170-172 when no in training camp, cutting weight.

Complete difference.

[cupocity303]

Well, Robinson was past his prime and insanely outweighed Vs. a superb fighter in Joey Maxim AND was winning the fight until the stoppage. But yeah that's another story.

Wonjongkam has stayed at 1 weight class. So what?

Sheesh, have you ever heard of sarcasm.

Why so serious?

[cupocity303]

So you want me to do your research for you? No thanks, do it yourself. It's basic human physiology.

No your shtick is to just make reckless statements without anything to back it up. I made my case by using simple math. You make a claim, you provide your research for it. The burden of proof for your statements is not on me.

So now it's physiology, what happened to "History" proving it. All over the place, your argumentative skills are like Arturo Gatti - C Level at best.

[jrosales13]

both are great fighters sure fire hof's and great wins imo....cant take anything from either

Of course. And, this is going to be my last comment about Tito in this thread.

But, truthfully Tito is a borderline ATG, he a sure fire HOF'er no doubt. But, a sure fire ATG? I don't know. He's borderline.

However, Barrera is an ATG. He's on that list.

Barrera>>>Tito.

But, like I said I like hearing people say that Tito is greater.

[IronDanHamza]

Sheesh, have you ever heard of sarcasm.

Why so serious?

Ahh, ok.

Really went over my head. Sorry about that