better resume..hopkins,pacman

[cupocity303]

You mean Flyweight Lineal Champion?

Wonjongkam is the Lineal Flyweight champion so yeah I'm pretty sure he's happy as hell to hold on to that.

Of course.

God forbid he ever made the huge leap up in weight from 112 to 115, a total of 3 pounds, to go for another world title at a higher weight class, and become a multi-weight-division champion.

Nah Sugar Ray Robinson demonstrated that this is a bad idea when he tried for a Light-Heavyweight belt, having moved up from Middleweight and failed. Nah Pongsaklek Wonjongkam seems like a Intelligent cat, you can tell by his name. He learned from past history.

[$Bullsfam$]

Trinidad was a Middleweight, how was he small. And Hopkins was underdog, every one saying Trinidad was gonna knock him out.

Pavlik wanted to go up in weight, Hopkins didn't force him. Hopkins was underdog in that fight too.

The Tarver fight, was Tarver smaller too? Hopkins was underdog, people were saying Tarver's gonna knock him out, Hopkins beat him bad.

Exactly. This is the biggest bull***** in boxing. How come everybody wants to say Tarver, Tito, and Pavlik were going to not only beat him, but trash him & knock him out, then he literally embarrasses them, makes them look like bums THEN everybody just wants to make up a bunch of BS ass excuses.

man please!!!!...B.Hop's wins over Tito, Tarver and Pavlik(ALL 3 had beaten EVERY man they EVER faced when B.Hop fought them) trumps Manny's wins over old ass Barrera, Morales, and ...who else is worth mentioning?....Manny's L's look childish compared to B.Hop's....B.Hop has NEVER lost a fight to fighter with a L on his record....NEVER....B.Hop was 40 ****in years old and gave a young strong unbeaten, CONFIDENT JT a shot at the MW crown....after B.Hop turned 40 he fought 5 consecutive fights against 5 former or current(at that time) UNDISPUTED champions....JT(was unbeaten)....Tarver(reversed ALL his L's with rematches so he beat every man he ever faced)....Winky(hadn't lost a fight in almost a decade at that time)...Joe Calzaghe(p4p #2, unbeaten) and Pavlik(unbeaten)....Barrera, Morales, Hatton, Cotto, and Marg were already battle bitten by the time Manny gave them work...c'mon man, I don't even wanna drop a essay about this.....B.Hop is the man right now when it comes to comparing ALL the active fighters in the game atm.....call it bias or whatever you want...but B.Hop's OVERALL resume is much better than Manny's...and as some other poster said(but he got it twisted)....it aint even close!!!...WHAT!!!

Absolutely beautiful post.

why??prove me wrong..tito was a 3 divisiion champ,undefeated and a beast....cotto,margo,clottey,nor hatton can hold a candle to tito..and if you wanna count that oscar win then lets count hopkins rjj win

He can't even count that Oscar win because Hopkins win over Oscar is better. But regardless these 3 posts then shoulda been /end thread.

1. Everybody underestimates the power of Hopkins win over Antonio Tarver. This dude literally by himself ended the Roy Jones superman era. He lost a good close fight with Glenn Johnson but ran away with it in the rematch. He was up there as a P4P fighter. Bojangles wants to say who did Hopkins fight on those 3 mexicans level, well Antonio ****in Tarver. One of the best defensive masterminds in the game.

2. NOBODY beats Hopkins decisively besides young Roy Jones which is only because Roy Jones was a ****in Olympic Gold medalist(**** them judges) whereas Hopkins was in Jail for 10 years and got better as he fought on. I think the Hopkins that dominated Tito would have been a problem for Prime Roy Jones. Maybe wouldn't have won, but it would have been another close one.

So nobody could sit here and tell me ANYBODY from history P4P if they were the same size would have destroyed Hopkins, because he makes EVERYBODY look bad. Most likely if they were the same size, Barrera, Morales, and Marquez would have been chasing Hopkins around the ring getting nailed with straight rights and bullied in the clinch. Just be a bad fight for them.

[jrosales13]

Check post above you.

Do I need to fish up some more Asian WBC Title holders, who will hold those titles hostage until retirement. It's politics at lower divisions. They don't get as much exposure as the Welter and Junior Middles of the world, so they don't dump their belts as easily and go fishing for belts at other weight classes.

They're contempt staying where they are and milking it for every dollar. Has nothing to do with size.

Yea because, that doesn't happen in the higher weights.

But, anyways it could be cuz' of the bone density that prevents them also no? I mean there have been fighters who have tried to move over 3 divisions and are just not successful at the lower weights. Not just a few but a very vast majority. There have only been a handful who have been successful like McLarnin, Pac, Donaire, Duran. But, then after that is very rare. And, yes a lot have tried and failed more so than not. Maybe the 3 or 4 pounds difference for their bone structure is equivalent to the 6 or 7 pounds for the bigger guys. Could that not be? Really?

[bojangles1987]

Of course.

God forbid he ever made the huge leap up in weight from 112 to 115, a total of 3 pounds, to go for another world title at a higher weight class, and become a multi-weight-division champion.

Nah Sugar Ray Robinson demonstrated that this is a bad idea when he tried for a Light-Heavyweight belt, having moved up from Middleweight and failed. Nah Pongsaklek Wonjongkam seems like a Intelligent cat, you can tell by his name. He learned from past history.

You're completely dismissing that it is harder to move from 122 to 126 than it is to move from 147 to 154. You say three whole pounds like it is nothing, well history has shown that it is hard to do. It's simply easier to be 160 pounds and put on 8 to move up to super middleweight than it is to put on three or four pounds in the lower weights. History proves that.

[pasawayako]

pac and not even close.

[cupocity303]

I always complained about the lower weights having too many weight classes.

It's like 120 is a weight class, then 121 is another weight class, 123, another weight class, 124, 125, 126..weight class galore. Go up 1 pound, another weight class.

Dude, I gain three pounds from one meal and lose 3 after a good dump.

It's ridiculous. Those divisions would be so deep if they merged some of them together into one.

[cupocity303]

You're completely dismissing that it is harder to move from 122 to 126 than it is to move from 147 to 154.

HMMM yes I am dismissing it (Obviously) and I gave specific reasons for doing so.

Sheesh, some people are slow.

[jrosales13]

You're completely dismissing that it is harder to move from 122 to 126 than it is to move from 147 to 154. You say three whole pounds like it is nothing, well history has shown that it is hard to do. It's simply easier to be 160 pounds and put on 8 to move up to super middleweight than it is to put on three or four pounds in the lower weights. History proves that.

Pfft...History, why look at the history of the sport and these divisions since the Queensberry rules came to existence. Lets just focus on Asian WBC champs, like if they're aren't any European champs who hold/held titles hostages at the higher weights.

[cupocity303]

You're completely dismissing that it is harder to move from 122 to 126 than it is to move from 147 to 154. You say three whole pounds like it is nothing, well history has shown that it is hard to do. It's simply easier to be 160 pounds and put on 8 to move up to super middleweight than it is to put on three or four pounds in the lower weights. History proves that.

Yeah ok, history proves that and you didn't give any specifics of history.

But lets throw in definitive statements like "It's simply easier to be 160 punds and put on 8 to move up to 168", with nothing to back it up.

Please come back when your debating skills improve a little.


Auf Wiedersehen

[bojangles1987]

Exactly. This is the biggest bull***** in boxing. How come everybody wants to say Tarver, Tito, and Pavlik were going to not only beat him, but trash him & knock him out, then he literally embarrasses them, makes them look like bums THEN everybody just wants to make up a bunch of BS ass excuses.


So nobody could sit here and tell me ANYBODY from history P4P if they were the same size would have destroyed Hopkins, because he makes EVERYBODY look bad. Most likely if they were the same size, Barrera, Morales, and Marquez would have been chasing Hopkins around the ring getting nailed with straight rights and bullied in the clinch. Just be a bad fight for them.

You can say the same thing for Pacquiao's fights. Barrera was going to trash him, Marquez was going to trash him in the rematch, Hatton was going to trash him, Cotto was going to trash him, yet when Pacquiao beats these fighters everyone immediately makes excuses why they don't matter.

And please, it makes me wonder what you are thinking if you think Barrera, Morales, and Marquez would just chase Hopkins around the ring and get nailed with straight rights for 12 rounds. Can you name one fight against a boxer as good as those three where Hopkins did that?