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Logistically speaking and going by your ****ty double standard when he fought de la hoya and won, that was about as legit a victory as when he had wars with marquez, morales etc because name value is the only thing that matter rite? Negative. Each and every boxer you listed had no place fighting Pac when they did. Manny basically pulled a SRL-Duran 2. There's no honor in that..
*Sometime after the Marg loss Cotto had come to blows with and seperated from his longtime trainier/uncle evangelista and hired his moronic inexperienced nutritionist to head his corner which I believe was the single most foolish thing he could've done for himself. He would later go on to SD Clottey in a tough fight that left him bloodied and bruised. After this Cotto went on the record to say he'd lost his passion for fighting during this rough patch in his career. Roach capitalized on this and had his man prep for a catchweight fight against a beaten fighter, down on his luck. His incompetent team had no answers for him that night, and virtually trained(for) and fought Pac on his own according to his current trainer Emanuel Steward.
*Clottey was always a risky fight but as was his nature, came up short when he fought the elite. He edged out a win against Judah due to accidental big ass head. Nah just kidding he still would've won. He couldn't out-throw/hurt Rito and launched headbutts out this world(like the one he used to bust up Cotto), but wound up climbing back in his shell like he does to avoid heavy hands from Marg. Breaks his hands. Clottey always seems to lose heart during the championship rounds when it counts. Thats what will always set him apart from the great fighters. After Cotto/Marg thrashings Arum dumped him on Pacman. Case and point.
*Antonio margarito was the disgraced ex-champ with only a suspect win over Cotto as credit to his to spotty resume. A subsequent bout with Mosley in which tampered handwraps were found just prior to their fight would leave Tony a victim of karma, he was ripped to shreds the entire fight and eventually destroyed in 9. We all know what happened afterwards. He comes back from the long layoff and looks sloppy against no name garcia and earns a shot at the junior middleweight belt against the number one fighter in the world--YEAHH!!
*Shane mosley is a future hall of famer, and of the best in the game..well..technically, he's not so sharp anymore. I mean he's 40 yrs old which is like being a senior citizen in boxing unless ur bernard hopkins or george foreman..but after definitive losses to Pbf and Mora it really only becomes a payday and little more than a retirement fight with Pac. The only upside I see to this is Manny being the ideal guy to put him out of his misery and convince Shane to finally hang em up. So Roach can boast "My guy is the greatest, he retired Sugar shane mosley"well good for u pac would u like a cookie? .. it's still not floyd mayweather.Comment
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Did Pac win a title in jr MW? the same title that Martinez gave up less than a year ago. But i forgot Pac won it at a catchweight so he really isnt a Jr MW but wait they continue to say he won that belt and is a 8 division titlest. So ok now he is to small. He is also calling out PBF. They are considered the best and he wants to be the best. I already think he is.Comment
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Its finally nice to see that most agree with Sergio's argument and to be honest, if you read what boxing experts are saying, Sergio is up there and should take it away from Manny if Manny doesn't do well. IN fact, if you go to forums, there's a big following that says Sergio is #1 right now.
I really don't understand what you Manny fans are *****ing about. Sergio Martinez even gave Manny his props by saying Manny is the current #1 fighter but you guys still ****ing complain like girls. I'm a Mayweather fan and i can admit Mayweather is looking like crap right now and its exciting to see a fighter that finally fights the best.Comment
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Listen here chum, cause I'm not all too familiar with the boxing vernacular some of you guys use on here, and I'm no fan of typing some of the more disrespectful phrases that are utilized to describe fanbases and a people/races as a whole..so I'll compose myself even when there are stubborn posters on here that are willfully ignorant towards 1 boxer.
Don't put words in my mouth. I'm grading the quality of competition and sportsmanship demonstrated between ideal champions like Miguel Cotto and Sergio Martinez with comparison to the modern day star of Pacquiao. Manny has come a long way from flyweight to get where he is now. But somewhere along the way he developed an ego. Maybe it was after tumbling DLH or the second marquez win. Against oscar he was clearly favored in that Roach had already trained the latter, so he knew his habits. Naturally his guy was lighter, faster and dutifully prepared. I remember watching watching oscar and thinking damn, poor guy now he feels the sting of losing to younger talent. It was a changing of the guard much like when he fought Chavez. Manny became a megastar but he'd already been following the trend of choosing old, beaten fighters for some time. The fight with Barrera comes to mind. You could argue that Dlh and hatton were also leftovers of Floyd when Manny took those fights. To me, things just fell in place for him.. imagine for instance, if Cotto had beaten Margarito and earned the dream match against oscar as was planned. The boxing scene might have been completely different than what it is now. Manny might never have moved up and the fight everyone wanted to see would be Mayweather-Cotto..but ..I digress.
I'm coming off a victim of my words as biased towards the suspect Marg loss. Hope you get my point though. If not, agree to disagree.Comment
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