Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez: Pacquiao Must Impress or I'm The Best!

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  • letsgobrady
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    #301
    Originally posted by bluetuazon
    so margarito is junior middleweight now?? where did he fight cotto? is it at Jr.middleweight? margarito fought shane at where?? is it at Jr. middleweight?? when did margarito became JMM??

    so the martinez win against pwill gets less credit because it was at 157?? is the DZ win better than the pwill win? that is according to ur logic..
    margarito was always the biggest ww and marg also had fights in his career at jmw prior to his fight with garcia alot of people feel like margo fought at ww because he didn't have the punchin power to deal with the jmw it's just like paul williams was a ww yet everyone knew that there was no way that williams was gonna be able to fight at ww his whole career. so by your logic do you consider williams a ww?
    cutting weight seems to be more of a problem than gaining weight especially since most fighters already cut weight so for you to have to cut of even more weight than you usually do can make a difference.
    williams was the one that asked for the catchweight not sergio unlike pacquiao and dependin on who you ask the dzinzurik fight could be more impressive

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    • bluetuazon
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      #302
      Originally posted by Fetta
      now you trying to spin it. So according to your logic Martinez must first move up in weight and fight garbage and then he will be able to called the best because he beat bigger guys regardless if they were good or not?
      isnt this what manny did thats why he is number one and we are in this thread???

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      • letsgobrady
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        #303
        Originally posted by bluetuazon
        bro no disrespect but are u saying that cotto was not ranked in the WW div when he fought pac??
        cotto was ranked 3 or 4 at ww but on the p4p rankings i don't think that cotto was ranked top 10

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        • bluetuazon
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          #304
          Originally posted by letsgobrady
          margarito was always the biggest ww and marg also had fights in his career at jmw prior to his fight with garcia alot of people feel like margo fought at ww because he didn't have the punchin power to deal with the jmw it's just like paul williams was a ww yet everyone knew that there was no way that williams was gonna be able to fight at ww his whole career. so by your logic do you consider williams a ww?
          cutting weight seems to be more of a problem than gaining weight especially since most fighters already cut weight so for you to have to cut of even more weight than you usually do can make a difference.
          williams was the one that asked for the catchweight not sergio unlike pacquiao and dependin on who you ask the dzinzurik fight could be more impressive
          williams was the one who asked for the catchweight yes...its true...martinez agreed yes??? the fight happened....didnt cotto agree to the catchweight when he fought pac??

          the thing is if u dont feel u will be able to make the weight u dont agree...so please stop hating because nobody cheated because 2 parties should agree to a catchweight...please correct me if im wrong..

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          • bluetuazon
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            #305
            Originally posted by letsgobrady
            cotto was ranked 3 or 4 at ww but on the p4p rankings i don't think that cotto was ranked top 10
            bro check the ring magazine if cotto was not p4p in 2009...
            Last edited by bluetuazon; 03-15-2011, 05:17 PM.

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            • choelzle
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              #306
              I dont even entertain it when people say pacquiao is #1 lb4lb.......everyone he fights is recovering from a devastating loss...the housewives and 2x a year boxing fans are meant to fall for that hype, not the hardcore boxing fans...wont fight berto bc he doesnt sell tickets but youll fight clottey? come on guys...its a gaff, a side show, pacquiao is just really good...not otg not lb4lb #1

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              • Fetta
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                #307
                Originally posted by bluetuazon
                so u think sergio should fight welters to be called the best??
                You are the one saying he is to big when the title that Pac won was his less than a year ago. Hatton was garbage no matter how you try to spin it and it was 2 years ago. Margarito is a natural jr MW just like you said Williams is a natural middleweight. Now the win against Williams has nothing taken away cause Martinez did not ask for the catchweight Williams did and according to your logic Martinez was a jr MW (being the smaller guy) when he fought Williams the second time and crushed him then decided to full y move up to middleweight. now Martinez fought a much bigger guy in Williams and Pavlik (who really is a natural middleweight even super) then he defended his title against one of the best who came in weighing 159 (same as Martinez) and having never been knocked out. Now Pac has fought Clottey who didnt deserve a shot and didnt throw a punch, a drained and flat footed Margarito who didnt deserve a shot, and now Mosely who got steam rolled by Mayweather and looked bad against Mora.

                Now im not saying Pac isnt good he is but what im saying is he choice of opponets lately has dropped him down to #2 and maybe #3

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                • Fetta
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                  #308
                  Originally posted by bluetuazon
                  isnt this what manny did thats why he is number one and we are in this thread???
                  so manny fought bigger guys that you agree werent that good? and constitues he right at the number one claim in your eyes?

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                  • AmericanFighter
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                    #309
                    Given the opposition and the manner of knockout, Martinez' win over Dzinziruk does not come close to Donaire's KO over Montiel. Montiel is already a well known world class fighter who dominates his division. So I guess that puts Sergio at number 4. I think even RJJ would agree with me. lol

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                    • Fetta
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                      #310
                      Originally posted by AmericanFighter
                      Given the opposition and the manner of knockout, Martinez' win over Dzinziruk does not come close to Donaire's KO over Montiel. Montiel is already a well known world class fighter who dominates his division. So I guess that puts Sergio at number 4. I think even RJJ would agree with me. lol
                      what about Sergio knock out of Williams? Williams is a very respected fighter and much bigger than him. Which is important according to some

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